You guys are still on-list, FYI. Cheers, Randy
> On Jun 10, 2019, at 2:22 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > HI Richard……….I used to have his email address, I’ll look it up and let you > know………….Mark’s a good guy, his 37 is about an 82 or 84 vintage………. > He sails well, but doesn’t complete many of the series so he’s at a > disadvantage when it comes to race results. > Stay tuned: > > Ron > > If you’re going to get serious about racing in series races………… There are > only a few “rules”………..take everything off the boat that you won’t use for > the race. Weight is your enemy. You don’t need all those winches……..even for > cruising, I’ll send you a picture or two of my boat……… take only the sails > you are going to use for the race……….all the others stay on the dock. > > From: CnC-List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard Bush via > CnC-List > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 3:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Richard Bush <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF vs ORR-EZ > > Ron, I am replying off-list because I have a question of limited interest; I > noted that there is a 37 in your class... Mark Buckler(?); is he connected to > the list? if not, I'd like to get info about his boat, as I have a 37 also; > if he's amenable, have he email me directly with his contact info; thanks > > PS: contracts on all the bullitts! > Richard > s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River; > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > To: cnc-list <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: rjcasciato <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2019 3:29 pm > Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF vs ORR-EZ > > Dennis and Randy: > > In Mass Bay, we're into our 2nd year with ORR-EZ. What you want to do is get > to the ORR-EZ web site and look over the certificate forms and what's needed > to rate your boat.........other than "supposedly measuring sails", the > process is relatively simple.... > > You wind up with a rating certificate that has essentially 6 separate ratings > dependent on course configuration and wind. AND whether you are sailing with > a spinnaker or not....... > This year they added a destination rating (point to point) as well as the > W/L courses and the Random leg courses, which is what we usually sail. > > Don't get put off with the number of ratings...........I found that we used > the same rating most of last summer........... > > The ratings are also provided for two types of scoring............Time on > Distance, and Time on Time...........in Mass Bay, we have been using TOT for > years.........the TOD has to many variables when you have to sail around > islands and such. > > So, as an example...........my 38MKII used to rate 129 Racing and 132 > Cruising in PHRF. There was a 6 second "recreational handicap" bonus if you > used a working jib furler above deck....... > Typical of PHRF, there were other nuances that you could maneuver to > advantage or not...........Declare no spinnaker pole and get 9 > seconds.......e.g. > > ORR-EZ has none of that stuff.......it's basically a boat measurement, some > weight measurements, and several sail measurements...........they rate your > largest sail area ........ > > Impromptu's 2019 ratings are: wind at very light, light, medium, > heavy...........0.382, 0.603, 0.799, 0.919 Spinnaker > 0.362, 0.577, 0.777, 0.904 > non-spinnaker......... > > So, all that matters is the elapsed time you sail the course in. You take > that elapsed time and multiply it by the factor for that race...........that > produces your corrected time........and that then compares to the other boats > in the fleet to determine the winner.............. > > We're spoiled here in New England for scoring..........there is a system > called Regattaman that was developed by a couple of our local guys several > years ago and that system has been adopted widely. They set up the course on > the committee boat, start the race and record the finish time for each > boat............all that happens live and by the time we get back to the > dock, the results are up with all that calculation completed and boats scored > where they placed. > > If you're interested, you might log onto Regattaman.com and go to the > calendar page. That page shows all the racing in our region that is going on > this year. You can scroll down to the Spring Series Hingham Bay ORREZ (May > 15th or so) and see that we've sailed 4 races so far in the series, the last > one will be on the 19th...........when you click on results, you'll see the > score sheet by class. We sail 3 classes. > > It's not uncommon for us to get over 20 boats in 3 classes on the course for > the Wednesday series......... > > I hope you find this useful, let me know if you need addition info. > > Best, > > Ron C. > Impromptu > C&C 38MKII > Hull #125, 1977 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via > CnC-List > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:33 PM > To: cnc-list <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: Randy Stafford <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF vs ORR-EZ > > Hi Dennis, > > No experience with ORR-EZ yet, but it looks like another good option by which > to score mixed fleet races (i.e. not one-design fleet races). > > Last year Colorado Sail & Yacht Club experimented with National Handicap for > Cruisers (see https://www.rya.org.uk/racing/pages/nhc.aspx > <https://www.rya.org.uk/racing/pages/nhc.aspx>). We still used PHRF as the > official scoring system, but also scored the same races by NHC to see the > outcome of applying a different scoring system to the same race results. We > could do the same with ORR-EZ. > > The proponents of this idea were looking for a scoring system that is more > “fair” than PHRF. I liken NHC to golf handicapping: your handicap changes > with every scorecard you turn in, conceptually. So it dynamically reflects > variability in weather conditions and crew performance, which a static PHRF > rating doesn’t. ORR-EZ appears to have some similar elements (observed > performance factor, configurablity per race course, etc.) which in my opinion > are valuable. > > With a 30 MK I my results in my fleet are generally dependent on wind > strength. The stronger the wind, the better I place, all other things being > equal. In light air boats with less displacement beat me. It’s almost as if > boats should have different ratings for different wind speed ranges. > > On a related note, my RSA is re-rating all boats in its region this year, and > Grenadine’s PHRF rating is likely to come out 12 seconds lower. But at least > one of my competitor’s ratings will stay the same - which exacerbates the > above problem, unless we have a really windy season. I think I’ll start a > separate thread on 30 MK I PHRF ratings, because I see 18 seconds variability > across RSAs. > > Cheers, > Randy > > > On Jun 10, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > My handicapping authority, Gulf Yachting Association, like other > > authorities, is toying with ORR-EZ. They're scoring some regattas and/or > > classes under both systems. > > > > I haven't explored the cost/effort of getting a ORR-EZ certificate yet. > > What's folks experience with ORR-EZ so far? > > > > Dennis C. > > Touche' 35-1 #83 > > Mandeville, LA > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. 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