Hi Don, Thanks for the reply.
My RSA hasn't published rating rules on retrofit sprits and asyms etc. - it’s new territory for them. It would seem that people do use top-down furlers for asyms: see for example https://www.quantumsails.com/en/resources-and-expertise/articles/the-top-5-reasons-top-down-spinnaker-furlers-are-a <https://www.quantumsails.com/en/resources-and-expertise/articles/the-top-5-reasons-top-down-spinnaker-furlers-are-a>. I can shackle an asym tack line block to the spare headsail shack on the stem, and hoist/douse the asym using a sock. It just might not be as fast as using a furler like my competitor does. When the Ranger 28 with the asym beat me off-wind Wednesday night, I was under jib and main, not my symmetrical chute. It was a broad reach (AWA ~140) to the next mark, then a beam reach to the last mark. The responses from you and Mike Hoyt make me think I should try going head-to-head with him while flying my symmetrical spinnaker - which of course is a reasonable suggestion, and one that would save me money :) I’ll still be at a disadvantage in sail setting speed because he has furlers and I don’t. But I should try that first. Cheers, Randy > On May 15, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Donald Kern via CnC-List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Randy, > > Most PHRF rating organizations will adjust (negatively) your rating for > adding a tack point forward of the "J" measurement of the boat. You may > receive a credit for both a retrofit application and due to a smaller sail > area for a spinnaker - depends on the rating rules for your PHRF > organization. Also an asymmetrical spinnaker is a free fly sail, thus adding > a hard furler is not done for an asym. I do not understand why you stated > "So I can’t just shackle an asym tack line block to the spare headsail > shackle on the stem, and hoist/douse the asym using a sock." That should be > an option. Lastly, the 30 Mk1 was designed to go deep downwind with a > symmetrical spinnaker, which would have a greater sail area projected to > windward an inherently faster than a asym rig deep downwind. The plus side > that an asym would give your 30 Mk1 would be on reaching legs. Hope this > helps. > > Don Kern > Fireball C&C35 Mk2 > Bristol, RI > Commo. PHRF-NB > > > On 5/15/2020 12:22 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List wrote: >> Listers- >> >> A guy in my yacht club has started an arms race by adding an asym with a >> top-down furler to his Ranger 28. Wednesday night in light air I beat him >> to the windward mark by a minute or two, then he hoisted his asym and >> dropped me like a bad habit. He beat me by five minutes corrected time in a >> one-hour race despite spotting me 12 sec/mile with his new adjusted rating >> (demonstrating yet again that ratings don’t necessarily account for >> performance differences). It was an eye-opening demonstration. >> >> So now I’m thinking I need an asym to compete. I know a guy who flew one on >> a 30 MK I. He welded a bracket forward of the stem, to fasten a tack line >> block, and had a sock instead of a furler. If I want to compete with this >> Ranger 28, I’ll have to add two furlers (one on the forestay and one for the >> asym) to be able to set sails as fast as him. So I can’t just shackle an >> asym tack line block to the spare headsail shackle on the stem, and >> hoist/douse the asym using a sock. I need a tack point forward of the stem >> to accommodate a furler. >> >> Thus my question to you listers: any experience with adding a bowsprit or >> bracket etc. to your C&C for tacking down an asymmetrical spinnaker? I did >> some reading last night on after-market bowsprits (e.g. Selden), but of >> course wanted to check with the collective wisdom on Stu’s list. Any advice >> or recommendations? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Stafford >> S/V Grenadine >> C&C 30 MK I #79 >> Ken Caryl, CO >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >
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