And if I may add to Lasman's post, Cobalt did not automatically void your software warranty if for instance, you added SSH or PortSentry. Contractually they could have, but in my experience they didn't.
To put this in perspective let's contrast this with another vendor of "ease of use," server product. Apple's OS X Server which we also unfortunately own, is a $3000 box shipped with what Apple admits to being a "transitional" GUI called OS X 10.1/5, It's miles behind Sun/Cobalt's WEB/MAIL/DNS/USER GUI in ease of use. Yet despite the notoriously lame, vulnerable, AppleMailServer, the non-existent DNS GUI, terrible documentation and kludgy, confusing, conflicting, some-Apple-proprietary-some-Unix nature of this beast, you have 90 days support and anything more requires a credit card. To add insult to arrogance, if you unfortunately purchased this product before July 17, (I purchased mine in March) the latest update, the one that purportedly fixes the kludge, costs a grand. No upgrade, no discount. No apologies. Start over. Buy the sexy "Jaguar" OS X 10.2 and march with the Apple marketing machine. But I'm going to downgrade this OS X dog to file server status and buy XTR's for mail, web and ftp because after 2 1/2 years I'm still getting regular FREE updates for my RAQ's. Plus advice from this excellent security forum, Sun's support sites and plenty more info from the Linux community. And after all this time, never a RAQ crash. Ain't a Mac user that can say that with a straight face. Sun/Cobalt has treated me fairly. It's not the case with all vendors. I ask for your off-topic leniency in advance but I've been listening for weeks with restraint to this nasty, condescending, inane, JacobsBabble and it's really a bore. Terrance Dwyer Chief Engineer Wild Woods Inc. Los Angeles CA -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeff Lasman Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [cobalt-security] (no subject) Paul Jacobs wrote: > It's a shame that you loose your warranty because you secure your cobalt. This is a continued misunderstanding, and it's really time to lay it to rest. Sun Cobalt doesn't warrant the software, though they do make a restore CDROM available. They do warrant the hardware, and the hardware warranty is NOT affected by any software changes you must make. The hardware warranty is time-limited, and most of us aren't covered by it. At one time Cobalt (before the purchase by Sun) did maintain a software warranty and it did become invalid if you changed the software, but only in the sense that all they couldn't warrant any changes you'd made. Show me any other computer or computer appliance that warrants your changes to the default softwrae installation, Paul. Or please lay it to rest. Jeff -- Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux and Cobalt/Sun/RaQ Consulting nobaloney.net, P. O. Box 52672, Riverside, CA 92517 voice: +1 909 778-9980 * fax: +1 909 548-9484 _______________________________________________ cobalt-security mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.cobalt.com/mailman/listinfo/cobalt-security _______________________________________________ cobalt-security mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.cobalt.com/mailman/listinfo/cobalt-security
