Dan Stringer is right on!  Nip it all in the bud by not posting - when we 
decide it's best not to post something, none of the issues we're discussing 
will occur.

Chuck Aid
Evergreen, CO

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:18:58 PM UTC-7 Dan Stringer wrote:

> There's good food for thought in this thread which we should keep with us 
> on the trail. And when we're in people's neighborhoods. To me, whether it 
> becomes disruptive to the bird and/or property owners is often determined 
> before anyone arrives. Since we know that the birding community is 
> ever-larger, more connected with intel traveling fast and far, more 
> discretion re: what we put out there these days might be necessary. 
>
> My comments aren't so much about this specific owl or this location, 
> rather that we can often determine ahead of time what type of scenario 
> would develop and choose when to lay low. I appreciate when someone 
> provides info about an uncommon bird and I like to share interesting 
> sightings too. What owls and other species not to list, breeding 
> situations, proximity to neighbors or viewing area, etc. is always 
> situational and often above my pay-grade but my takeaway is when we decide 
> it's best not to post something, none of the issues we're discussing will 
> occur.
>
> Dan Stringer
> Larkspur, CO
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 11:42:37 AM UTC-7 Dave Leatherman wrote:
>
>> It has come to my attention that photographers, some of whom may be 
>> birders, are causing a problem west of Lyons in their lust for a 
>> pygmy-owl.  At the risk of pissing some of you off, and causing even more 
>> people to seek this bird by publicizing it, I ask for restraint.  The 
>> person who called me is not a birder but a guy I used to work with who 
>> knows I am into birds.  He owns property bordering Route 7 w of town where 
>> he says 16 cars full of loud-talking people pointing big cameras, rutting 
>> the right-of-way that he maintains are back again today, the way they have 
>> been in numbers for days (weeks?).  He is upset and I don't blame him.  He 
>> says that whoever these people are, they don't really care about the bird, 
>> that they act very entitled, that this is all just about getting the photo 
>> and social.  In short these sorts of situations give birders a black eye 
>> and they are becoming more commonplace.  If anyone reading this knows about 
>> the situation first hand, has been there, has a comment or rebuttal I can 
>> pass on to my friend, I am all ears.  My friend hasn't called the sheriff 
>> yet but is about to and it makes me sad to think "we" might have caused a 
>> reasonable person with deep sentiments for conservation and the natural 
>> world to be so upset.
>>
>> Dave Leatherman
>> Fort Collins
>>
>

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