When you raptor monitor for CPW you are not allowed to share for this
reason...

discretion is the better part of valor....’ for the birds



On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 8:15 AM Chuck Aid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dan Stringer is right on!  Nip it all in the bud by not posting - when we
> decide it's best not to post something, none of the issues we're discussing
> will occur.
>
> Chuck Aid
> Evergreen, CO
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:18:58 PM UTC-7 Dan Stringer wrote:
>
>> There's good food for thought in this thread which we should keep with us
>> on the trail. And when we're in people's neighborhoods. To me, whether it
>> becomes disruptive to the bird and/or property owners is often determined
>> before anyone arrives. Since we know that the birding community is
>> ever-larger, more connected with intel traveling fast and far, more
>> discretion re: what we put out there these days might be necessary.
>>
>> My comments aren't so much about this specific owl or this location,
>> rather that we can often determine ahead of time what type of scenario
>> would develop and choose when to lay low. I appreciate when someone
>> provides info about an uncommon bird and I like to share interesting
>> sightings too. What owls and other species not to list, breeding
>> situations, proximity to neighbors or viewing area, etc. is always
>> situational and often above my pay-grade but my takeaway is when we decide
>> it's best not to post something, none of the issues we're discussing will
>> occur.
>>
>> Dan Stringer
>> Larkspur, CO
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 11:42:37 AM UTC-7 Dave Leatherman wrote:
>>
>>> It has come to my attention that photographers, some of whom may be
>>> birders, are causing a problem west of Lyons in their lust for a
>>> pygmy-owl.  At the risk of pissing some of you off, and causing even more
>>> people to seek this bird by publicizing it, I ask for restraint.  The
>>> person who called me is not a birder but a guy I used to work with who
>>> knows I am into birds.  He owns property bordering Route 7 w of town where
>>> he says 16 cars full of loud-talking people pointing big cameras, rutting
>>> the right-of-way that he maintains are back again today, the way they have
>>> been in numbers for days (weeks?).  He is upset and I don't blame him.  He
>>> says that whoever these people are, they don't really care about the bird,
>>> that they act very entitled, that this is all just about getting the photo
>>> and social.  In short these sorts of situations give birders a black eye
>>> and they are becoming more commonplace.  If anyone reading this knows about
>>> the situation first hand, has been there, has a comment or rebuttal I can
>>> pass on to my friend, I am all ears.  My friend hasn't called the sheriff
>>> yet but is about to and it makes me sad to think "we" might have caused a
>>> reasonable person with deep sentiments for conservation and the natural
>>> world to be so upset.
>>>
>>> Dave Leatherman
>>> Fort Collins
>>>
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