In listening to the various discussions that have been popping up regarding the desire to create some live demonstration sites to show cocoon's abilities and begin to establish some best practices examples for web applications using cocoon, I've been thinking a few things. Bear with me, a practical suggestion follows.
1) <Not the main point/>Wouldn't a killer app be to demonstrate the use of cocoon as a better front end to an EJB based application? What about taking an existing EJB app and showing how quickly it can be placed behind cocoon? Cocoon gives the code reuse and flexibility on the front end that EJB gives on the back end. Could one use the actual Pet Store demo? That led to the practical suggestion, which dovetails with the Documentation/Wiki issue, and the problem I see with the unfriendly nature of the list for the casual/new user. ... 2) What about taking an existing good forums application and using it as a cocoon datasource? With interoperability with newsgroups and email lists, it could tame the current list "problem". It could be used to add forums discussion to the bottom of the docs (not on xml.apache.org i understand) , enabling a user to right there for all the world to see say "this makes no sense" or "this has changed since this was written" or "your grammer is bad". My suggestion would be "Jive" http://www.jivesoftware.com - it's not "open source" but source code is provided - it's not free, but it is free for this use (if i read correctly) - it's good (check out the current customers - jboss and sun.com among them. - it's more of an established concept than Wiki (no offense - not trying to shut that down) - the "skins" system is not xml/xsl and they are not sold on xsl because "it's too hard to learn, and it's slow". Their suggestion for a better system is (get this) the world wide industry standard: Tea. - although i haven't looked at the code yet, they do have xml export/import ability (option one), and it's JSP based (option two - create an "xml" skin), and it's "bean" based (option 3 - marshall the beans in the generator - i think we need better built in functionality for this any way) - some other good things that I can't remember right now because it's almost midnight my time. I can't offer to head this up because my company's being bought out and i'm in need of a job in the next few weeks, but I can offer to help (unless my next employer discourages open source contributions). I have no connection with Jive software, nor do I know anyone who does by the way. Ain't just jive talkin', Geoff Howard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
