On Sunday 09 February 2003 05:59, Robert Simmons wrote: > Sun JDO JSR-12.
And I thought this is a Java specific specification of the ODMG model. No? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thor Heinrichs-Wolpert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: A note about the "best(?) (cocoon-) development environment" > ... > > > Which JDO? The ODMG JDO (like what Castor uses) or the after class > generation muck about that is in the Sun JDO? > > Jetty has been using JMX long before Tomcat, it fully supports the spec > ... and I'm thinking it supports it before the reference implementation > does (like the classpath stuff). Is it superior, I can't say for sure > (but it is the default / preferred servlet engine in JBoss. I like it > because it takes me less screwing around with jar clashes between > applications and what the server itself uses (making me less dependent > on their support cycle and changes in where the JDK wants things). > > Cheers, > Thor HW > > On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 01:05 PM, Robert Simmons wrote: > > I use JBoss but not jetty. Are you saying the Jetty-JBoss combo is > > superior > > to the Tomcat-JBoss combo? If so, I will definitely go try it. Perhaps > > it > > will fix my classpath in XSP issue. Bugzilla Reference: > > http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16580. > > > > Kodo JDO is an implementation of the JDO specification and MORE. It > > basically > > rules. Go through the tutorials and you will love it. Create an object > > model > > using your favorite problem domain. Then create the JDO mapping file > > (raw XML > > or with IDE plug-in) and then just say "uhh, make a schema for me" and > > it > > just does it. Its amazing! No more screwing around with persistence and > > schema manipulation. > > > > I have the commercial version of that product and will be talking > > about using > > it in the book that I am writing. > > > > -- Robert > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thor Heinrichs-Wolpert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:47 PM > > Subject: Re: A note about the "best(?) (cocoon-) development > > environment" ... > > > > > > Robert: > > > > Have a look at Jetty, or JBoss/Jetty (aka JBossWeb). No nasty "must > > copy things to endorsed directories, etc.)". You take Cocoon (2.0/2.1) > > and drop it in your deploy directory and POOF it's there. It's nice > > when the servlet engine actually uses the libs you define and not its > > own first as the default ... isn't that in the spec ... and will be > > available in Tomcat at some point. > > > > If you want any extra libs in cocoon-2.1 you add them in the lib tree, > > add them to jars.xml and the cocoon build adds them to the Manifest ... > > Jetty/Jboss just eats 'em up in the right place. > > > > I'm off to look for Kudo JDO (which hopefully follows the ODMG JDO and > > not Sun's) ... how does this rank against Castor or Jakarta-OJB ? > > > > Cheers, > > Thor HW > > > > On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Robert Simmons wrote: > >>> Hy, all; > >>> > >>> During the last months of activities i learned a lot from this > >>> mailing > >>> list. while i followed the discussions i started getting my > >>> development > >>> environment a bit up to date. I plan to setup a Wiki page on this > >>> theme. Although this may be a bit off topic, it still would be great, > >>> if someone could comment on this issue. > >>> > >>> > >>> the tools collection > >>> -------------------- > >>> Here is what i have put together so far. Of course this is driven > >>> at least partially by what i do for my customers... > >>> > >>> free tools: > >>> 1.) OS: linux and solaris (maybe a mater of taste) > >> > >> Go linux. Instead of spending money on licenses, you spend money on > >> support > >> contracts. Cheaper. In addition, Solaris is primitive compared to > >> Linux. > >> > >>> 2.) apache 1.3.26 (mod_jk2, mod_SSL) > >> > >> Duh ;) > >> > >>> 3.) tomcat 4.1.18 > >> > >> Yes, but you can go one step further. Get JBoss with integrated > >> tomcat. JBoss > >> will handle all sorty of nasty things like deploying to clusters for > >> you. As > >> a bonus, you get the ability to integrate with EJB based programs. > >> > >>> 4.) cocoon-2.0.4 > >> > >> 2.1 Hopefully soon! > >> > >>> 5.) eclipse > >> > >> See my previous message about eclopse vs netbeans. > >> > >>> 6.) sunbow eclipse tools (xml/sitemap) > >> > >> URL ? > >> > >>> 7.) ant > >> > >> I have 15 million of them in my damn appartment, want a few? Oh ... > >> you mean > >> Jakarta ant? Ok, nevermind then. =) Im currently looking at Krysalis' > >> extensions to ant. http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/quickstart.html > >> > >>> 8.) java-1.3.1 (sun JDK on all platforms) > >> > >> No no .. 1.4.1!!!!!! In 1.4 there are so many COOOL things that I > >> couldnt > >> live without anymore. > >> > >>> 9.) Secureway LDAP Server (i'll switch to Open LDAP soon) > >> > >> Im an LDAP idiot so Ill trust you there. > >> > >> Tools you didnt talk about: > >> > >> CVS - Use it over clearcase. its powerful, free, and a pleasure to > >> use. > >> BugZilla - Great program!!!!! Lousy looking interface. We should start > >> a > >> project to port > >> it to cocoon. =) However bugzilla is a great and free > >> bugtracking system. > >> > >>> commercial tools: > >>> 10.) clearcase cms (see below) > >> > >> Garbage. > >> > >>> 11.) xml-spy > >> > >> Good but confusing. > >> > >>> 12.) several DB-Systems > >> > >> all you need is Mysql baby. > >> > >> Ones you didnt talk about: > >> > >> 13) Together control center. If you can afford it, it absolutely kills > >> any > >> other IDE on the planet. > >> 14) eXcelon Stylus Studio. A great XML editor. It has a bonus of being > >> easy > >> to use and allot less confusing than XML Spy. > >> 15) User editors for creating static content. (FrameMaker? OpenOffice? > >> Im > >> still working on this one) > >> 16) Kodo JDO. Dont leave home without it. All that nasty persistence > >> stuff > >> just goes POOOF. > >> > >>> notes about the collection > >>> -------------------------- > >>> > >>> * All tools mentioned above fit tightly together. > >>> I use apache/tomcat since about three years now. > >>> The above combination also works fine with SSL. > >>> > >>> * After i got eclipse setup in tomcat debugging mode, > >>> i could at least double my productivity. > >>> Thanks to the tomcat site it was a matter of seconds to > >>> get it up see: > >>> > >>> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedev-rdtomcat.html > >>> > >>> * I also managed to setup eclipse with Cocoon in less than 10 > >>> minutes. OK, i did a lousy trick, but for debugging and > >>> learning how cocoon internals work it's absolutley > >>> satisfying... > >> > >> Shouldnt be tough, just run tomcat (or JBoss) in debug mode with a > >> socket > >> attach. Then you can remote attach to the socket and you are on your > >> way! > >> > >>> * about SCM in general and Clearcase in particular: > >>> Clearcase is a quite expensive and known to be very slow > >>> SCM tool. On the other hand it is super easy to integrate. > >>> Due to exposing the data within a "virtual filesystem" you > >>> just don't see it from the users viewpoint (except checkin > >>> checkout your files). > >>> Having the clearcase integration kit for eclipse up and > >>> running comes near to a developers dream. I hope, after > >>> Rational has been incorporated into IBM, clearcase or a > >>> derivate of it will eventually find it's way into the > >>> ongoing eclipse efforts to build just another SCM. See > >>> > >>> http://www.eclipse.org/technology/index.html > >>> follow the link to "stellation" at the bottom of the page. > >>> > >>> Another interesting new SCM could be subversion from > >>> > >>> http://subversion.tigris.org/ ... > >>> > >>> All of these SCM's provide directory versioning > >>> (something once you got it, you'll never want to miss again...) > >>> > >>> * I happen to use XML-Spy since a couple of years now. > >>> Maybe i just got used to it. I like it, although i have > >>> to pay for the license. At least it helps me getting > >>> my XSCHEMA's generated in no time. > >>> > >>> > >>> My personal SAXESS story ... > >>> ---------------------------- > >>> SAXESS stands for "System AXESS", just to get this clear;-) > >>> I write this down, mainly because i got very very satisfied > >>> with this especially when i compare this to what i was used > >>> to in former times when open source was something, nobody > >>> ever heard of... > >>> > >>> I'm running my webserver on some linux box and my webapps > >>> on solaris driven by tomcat. All of my code is dropped > >>> into a company wide multiplatform SCM system. I'm developing > >>> with the eclipse IDE right on my Desktop machine. I'm running > >>> Cocoon for the visualisation part of my projects. This is just > >>> a great XML publishing tool, and i'm still only using the > >>> basics of it for now. By saving my work to the SCM, > >>> my testwebapp gets autodeployed on a solaris box, which > >>> happens to be our testenvironment. I can setup remote debuggig > >>> sessions from my desktop directly into the heart of my > >>> webapplications... > >>> Once i checked in my work into the SCM, my webapp gets > >>> autodeployed on linux, which happens to be our website > >>> server. And i bet, after fiddeling around a bit, i could > >>> setup a debugging session on my customers site, while sitting > >>> somewhere at a beach, quickfix a bug, and then turn back to > >>> the real life just beeing happy for the rest of the day... > >>> > >>> A personal thank to the Open Source comunity > >>> -------------------------------------------- > >>> Folks, Thank you very much all you, who have contributed to get > >>> such a powerfull toolset up and running. I just get very excited > >>> seeing this developer's dream becoming reality... > >>> And sad enough i'm not sitting at a beach, but in > >>> "good ol'e germany" getting to much rain and too > >>> few sun (solaris is not good for everything...). > >>> > >>> thanks for your attention, if your patience lasted until here ;-) > >>> > >>> regards, Hussayn > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Dr. Hussayn Dabbous > >>> SAXESS Software Design GmbH > >>> Neuenhöfer Allee 125 > >>> D-50935 Köln > >>> tel.:+49 221 56011 0 > >>> fax.:+49 221-56011 20 > >>> email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > >>> FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > >> FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > >> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
