On Mar 2, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote:

> Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most 
> likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the 
> budget), Ya'aqov 

Yeah, exactly, I might run into the same thing.  In the past few years I've 
taken vacation for c4lc and gone on my own dime... and it can be quite pricey 
for a US federal employee to fly outside the country (see "Fly America Act") so 
I don't do it often.  Seriously, you don't want to know how bad it can be.

I could probably take time off again and cobble together a train ride (empire 
builder!) and a rental car in seattle and do it all on the cheap, which is how 
I got to Access '03 in Vancouver, but, yeah, none of you care about my 
problems. :)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind
> Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:00 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
> 
> Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone 
> else) have to choose between them?  I'm not following. One is in Feb, 
> one is in (what?) September.  If you can go to two confs one in Feb and 
> one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in 
> the US... why can't you go to two when they're both in Canada?  I'm not 
> following.
> 
> Dan Chudnov wrote:
>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as
>>> not to interfere.
>>> 
>>> I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if
>>> it gets the most votes, the community has spoken.
>>> 
>> 
>> I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not 
>> conflicting with C4LN, but not about Access.  I have a few concerns about 
>> the idea of code4libcon in Vancouver.  When the vote comes, though, if it's 
>> the only option, well, there we'll be.
>> 
>> Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the 
>> thread's here, so, whatever.
>> 
>> (a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if 
>> they're both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win.  This 
>> concern is one of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, 
>> though maybe the number of us who share this concern is small.
>> 
>> (b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun 
>> to me have been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) 
>> where we're more likely to stumble into other attendees as the evening... 
>> uh... "progresses".  Vancouver would be the biggest host city yet.  It's a 
>> great town and I'd love to return there but it's not small by any measure.
>> 
>> (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have 
>> continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration 
>> fee low.  It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are 
>> interested but not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own 
>> dime.  These past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a 
>> good block rate but still well over $100/night.  Vancouver's a more 
>> expensive town than any we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting 
>> some people out.  I think there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or 
>> hostel option in every town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in 
>> a bigger town that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) 
>> gets amplified, too.
>> 
>> 
>> All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, 
>> go VANOC^H^HC4LC!
>> 
>>  -Dan
>> 
>> 
>> p.s. if we could try out a "lightning talk cross" session where four people 
>> talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.

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