Still you need at least some commands in your brain to start. That is
where a book or a class help by giving you a command and its use, then
use it in an example, then get you to useit.
Next command is given and then used on top of first in a structured way
that only uses the previous know commands.
This continues until you have enough commands to function and then you
can look for an extra command that you need in a situation extending you
knowledge.
A begginer needs a core set of commands to be functional, up to that
point they have trouble doing anything useful, soon after that point
they dont need them as built in support. If there are too many commands
built in as menus, finding the right one would be hard.
Ken
R R wrote:
Fish looks interesting - I might give it a whirl. But I wasn't thinking of something as extravigantly coded as that. And the trouble with fish is that it isn't bash - which is the default Linux shell.
My idea is more aimed at people wanting to first learn how to use the bash shell - like students and new Linux users. Currently, when you first learn the shell you have to go elsewhere to find info when you get stuck - like a book, or the Internet, or a computer class. And you often get stuck because you don't know any commands yet. So my idea is to put all the basic info you need in a window that pops up alongside the shell when it is launched. The window has a directory-like list of commands (organised alphabetically, functionally, and in groups), and basic admin info (runlevels, permissions, etc.), VI and Emacs key shortcuts, etc. This way you can easily find a command or admin info you need without having to go elsewhere for it. It would be like having a nicely organised set of cheat sheets right next to the shell. I believe that this would cut down the time it takes to learn Linux by maybe half, and possibly entice more people to try Linux.
RR
Conrad Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 07/01/2008, R R wrote:
Thanks,
I might learn some coding and try to make this project for my own use at
first. I've done some research into similar projects and for some reason
shells with ease-of-use enhancements have never caught on.
I've heard and read good things about the shell called "fish". It
gives lots of nice hints about what commands to use, and displays help
info in your browser window. Perhaps that could be a good starting
point for you.
cheers,
Conrad.
RR
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
R R wrote:
I'm not a coder myself but I have been working on the command
lists and admin functions. If there are any coder/s who might
be interested in working on this project, please let me know.
I don't want to rain on your parade or anything, but I suspect
that your chances of finding anyone is vanishingly small.
The reasons for this are as follows:
- Most people who know how to code have enough projects of their
own that they don't have time for. For me, I have a list in
a text file of stuff I'd like to do if I could find the time.
If someone was willing to pay me my current salary, it would
take me about 10 years to complete my current list. After the
first year, i suspect that list would grow to 20 years work.
- It sounds like this project of yours would have two participants,
you in a management role and someone else in a coder role.
Unfortunately, I think you will find that most coders will have
had numerous bad experiences with bad management and would be
unlikely to find an un-paid volunteer project that had a non-
coding manager all that attractive.
Honestly, coding is not that hard and can be extremely rewarding
(both personally and professionally) if you take the time to start
learning. Be aware however, that learning how to program can take
some time to really master:
http://norvig.com/21-days.html
Erik
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