E. Conversations and Phone Messages
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she and the President "enjoyed
talking to each other and being with each other." In her
recollection, "We would tell jokes. We would talk about our
childhoods. Talk about current events. I was always giving him
my stupid ideas about what I thought should be done in the
administration or different views on things."(54) One of Ms.
Lewinsky's friends testified that, in her understanding, "[The
President] would talk about his childhood and growing up, and
[Ms. Lewinsky] would relay stories about her childhood and
growing up. I guess normal conversations that you would have
with someone that you're getting to know."(55)
The longer conversations often occurred after their sexual
contact. Ms. Lewinsky testified: "[W]hen I was working there
[at the White House] . . . we'd start in the back [in or near the
private study] and we'd talk and that was where we were
physically intimate, and we'd usually end up, kind of the pillow
talk of it, I guess, . . . sitting in the Oval Office . . . ."(56)
During several meetings when they were not sexually intimate,
they talked in the Oval Office or in the area of the study.(57)
Along with face-to-face meetings, according to Ms. Lewinsky,
she spoke on the telephone with the President approximately 50
times, often after 10 p.m. and sometimes well after midnight.(58)
The President placed the calls himself or, during working hours,
had his secretary, Betty Currie, do so; Ms. Lewinsky could not
telephone him directly, though she sometimes reached him through
Ms. Currie.(59) Ms. Lewinsky testified: "[W]e spent hours on the
phone talking."(60) Their telephone conversations were "[s]imilar
to what we discussed in person, just how we were doing. A lot of
discussions about my job, when I was trying to come back to the
White House and then once I decided to move to New York. . . .
We talked about everything under the sun."(61) On 10 to 15
occasions, she and the President had phone sex.(62) After phone
sex late one night, the President fell asleep mid-conversation.(63)
On four occasions, the President left very brief messages on
Ms. Lewinsky's answering machine, though he told her that he did
not like doing so because (in her recollection) he "felt it was a
little unsafe."(64) She saved his messages and played the tapes
for several confidants, who said they believed that the voice was
the President's.(65)
By phone and in person, according to Ms. Lewinsky, she and
the President sometimes had arguments. On a number of occasions
in 1997, she complained that he had not brought her back from the
Pentagon to work in the White House, as he had promised to do
after the election.(66) In a face-to-face meeting on July 4, 1997,
the President reprimanded her for a letter she had sent him that
obliquely threatened to disclose their relationship.(67) During an
argument on December 6, 1997, according to Ms. Lewinsky, the
President said that "he had never been treated as poorly by
anyone else as I treated him," and added that "he spent more time
with me than anyone else in the world, aside from his family,
friends and staff, which I don't know exactly which category that
put me in."(68)
Testifying before the grand jury, the President confirmed
that he and Ms. Lewinsky had had personal conversations, and he
acknowledged that their telephone conversations sometimes
included "inappropriate sexual banter."(69) The President said
that Ms. Lewinsky told him about "her personal life," "her
upbringing," and "her job ambitions."(70) After terminating their
intimate relationship in 1997, he said, he tried "to be a friend
to Ms. Lewinsky, to be a counselor to her, to give her good
advice, and to help her."(71)