On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 2003, at 7:50 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > > > Stephen Colebourne wrote: > >> I too stick with the Java-centric theme. I don't want to seem overly > >> anti > >> other programming languages, its just that IMO j-c is better of as > >> just > >> Java. > >> a) Code standards, guidelines, packaging, naming, integration with > >> JDK - all > >> are very Java specific, and are usefully captured in the charter. > >> b) j-c is already very busy, and if we add BCEL and perhaps some > >> others, > >> (which we probably should), it could get busier. > >> c) There is no easy division within j-c. I've tried on many occasions > >> to > >> find one, and always fail. However there is the potential for some to > >> leave* > >> Stephen > > > > > > I agree with all of these points, and others made by Dirk and Morgan > > elsewhere on this thread related to the Java community aspects of > > Jakarta in general and Jakarta Commons in particular. One thing that > > I would personally be very sad to lose in j-c is the regular comments > > and discussion from Java developers (many from other Jakarta projects) > > on Java language-related issues that come up frequently. If we were to > > lose or dillute the Java-identity of j-c, I am afraid that the signal > > to noise ratio on the lists might get too low to maintain the interest > > of some of these folks. > > > > One more point. While I have not participated much in the general@ > > and pmc@ discussions of where Jakarta may be headed, I think that we > > can solve the oversight and organization problems without turning all > > projects into TLPs and I would like to see Jakarta maintain its > > identity and community, with j-c an important part of both. > > +1 +i. I want it to maintain the community, but I want Jakarta to be the first to move to Brian Behlendorf's email a year ago in which he foresaw sourceforge-like foundry's. I'd like Jakarta to shirk all of its projects and set itself up as a Java portal onto Apache. If J-C doesn't merge in with A-C, I also can see it as a part of that Java portal, and would need to mix with the J parts in Incubator as well. That's my future view for Jakarta. To make it mean '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' as most current users think [though that will start to change next year], and to get rid of the other parts. It would be optional though, Cocoon doesn't have to join etc, and it can quite happily have a set of 'community rules' that people would adhere to, or optionally adhere to. Basically to stop Jakarta being a container and make it a category. Allow things in multiple containers. Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
