From: "Phil Steitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
projects+i. I want it to maintain the community, but I want Jakarta to be the first to move to Brian Behlendorf's email a year ago in which he foresaw sourceforge-like foundry's. I'd like Jakarta to shirk all of its
and set itself up as a Java portal onto Apache.
Don't know exactly what this means, but I don't think that I agree with it. If "to shirk all of its projects" means to make all current projects TLPs and then to turn Jakarta into some sort of Java-oriented incubator, I see this as essentially dissolving Jakarta. To me Jakarta *is* the community of users and volunteers involved with Jakarta projects.
Its interesting reading your emails Phil because its pretty much what I was thinking a year or more ago. That Jakarta was a really big, important community, vital to the Java language and any changes were aimed at dividing it to weaken Java and damage a community.
I changed my mind. I came to realise that there is no community at Jakarta in the sense that I know it - a group of developers working together, with broadly similar goals, to achieve quality code, together. Jakarta doesn't have that, because it has no code of its own. Its a talking (read arguing) shop.
However, that does not mean that Jakarta has no value. To the general set of users it means all of Java at Apache. It does not mean a specific product. http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jspa?forumID=61&threadID=10427
I changed my mind such that Jakarta should be a portal/gateway for Java products at Apache. And not to own them. A search engine for Java products. Ownership should reside with the products themselves, ie. Struts people should own Struts, Tomcat people should own Tomcat, and thus each should have a PMC.
Stephen
Thanks, Stephen. I guess I am a little "late to the party" here ;-)
In any case, I agree with you and Hen that the important thing is the products/projects. I don't care so much about the "branding" stuff. Good products tend to get found and used. What's important is that we provide a place for the project communities to grow and we provide the necessary oversight to protect the ASF and the contributors. As long as we keep something like j-c going somewhere in Apache, I will happy to be a part of it.
Phil
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