This is the type of discussion I'm referring too. Here is a perfect example of why commons components would benefit from separate "users" lists. Users are not interested in the same discussion issues as developers, the commons users list is ill adapted to the cross pollination "developer" paradigm. Commons Users wish to discuss issues related specifically to the component they are using while Commons developers wish to maintain maximum interaction with other Commons components to optimize code reuse and experience.
There are quite a few users (myself among them) who use multiple commons components and monitor commons-user to learn and/or help out. Just like on the dev list, we can easily filter on prefixes.
Lets be clear here. I do not want to see math "development" issues occur on a list separate from the other components. I do not want to see any Commons Component start is own "dev list". Nor do I want to see math separate from the commons. I want to see math user issues on a separate list, in fact I think any Commons project should have the option to produce their own users list as a means to provide user support for the component independent of the other components.
So what you are talking about is just reporting bugs, asking for help, requesting enhancements, right? All discussion of proposed algorithms or their implementation in [math] would be on commons-dev. In that case, I see this as less of a problem, but I still do not see the need for it and I do not agree with the basic premise that each commons component should have its own user list. The fact is that commons-user is not that heavy traffic (just over 10 messages / day on average for the past few months) and there is very little [math] traffic there.
What I'm talking about is "User Support", which should be of great importance to the community, as important as developer interaction.
After a great deal of discussion, maybe this subject should be voted on to bring the subject to completion. Otherwise, it will just get more heated.
We should not have to resort to a vote on this. I suggest that we suspend this discussion until we get 1.0 out and then we can discuss lists, more ambitious projects, etc. as part of a post-1.0 roadmap discussion.
-Mark
Kim van der Linde wrote:
--- Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It seems that you are missing the single most
important facet of Jakarta Commons here - community.
Commons is one community,
A community from whom? Whom are in it? Only hard-core developers? Or the developers and users at large? Apparently, I have a different idea about e-mail lists than most here. So be it.
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