On 6/24/07, Dennis Lundberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> On 6/23/07, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 6/23/07, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > <snip/>
>> >
>> > I haven't yet understood why we need to release anything from the
>> > sandbox at all. Sure, reproducibility is a good thing, but I doubt the
>> > builds are radically irreproducible without this release; and more
>> > importantly, I believe if people are interested in the sandbox
>> > components and their reproducibility, they should help get a release
>> > out instead.
>> >
>>
>> I think you have a good point there, Rahul, but I would see this as a
>> commons release, not a commons-sandbox release and I personally see
>> the benefit (consistent builds, easier to get a sandbox component to
>> build when jumping in) as outweighing the negatives (increasing
>> likelihood people depend on sandbox components, making the sandbox
>> more "comfortable"), especially given that we are *not* releasing any
>> sandbox jars.
>>
> <snip/>
>
> I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate. I am not impressed by
> any of these benefits (I'm not trying to be curt, I don't know how
> else to put it). Moreover, I agree about the negatives.
So what are the negatives here? I have not seen anyone put forward any
arguments yet as to why releasing the sandbox parent pom would be bad.
We are *not* talking about releasing sandbox components! Please,
enlighten me.
<snip/>
See line below, and less importantly, some comments above.
> I see this as being distilled, and worse -- recurring, busy work.
Well, Carlos asked for a release of the pom. I imagine that he has a
good reason for this.
<snap/>
imagine? I can only go by reasons stated in this thread (Carlos' and
Phil's subsequent posts do not have a new reason IMO).
So I stepped up to do the release. If I don't mind
doing the job - why should you care?
<snap/>
Because this is a Commons release.
Because (as a more general statement beyond the ASF workings) I
believe that merely having someone available to do something, does not
by itself, make doing that thing worthwhile.
Because (in terms of the ASF workings) do-ocracies do not imply that
others should not care about what you are doing when its about
releasing artifacts.
Because we will have to:
* Release periodically
- Needs process cycles: RMs, votes (thanks for your cycles on this one)
- Who knows how often this will have to happen (lesser the better)
* Update all sandbox component POMs to keep parent versions in sync etc.
I vote:
-0 (non-binding)
-Rahul
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Dennis Lundberg
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