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Arnaud Le 28 oct. 2016 09:52, "Omo Oaiya" <[email protected]> a écrit : > Owen, > > This is now a distraction and the tangential discussions bound to make > this confusing for some so I will conclude. > > - We know global regions where IPv4 is exhausted > - We know that secondary markets have sprung up to make IPv4 more available > - We know the rate of IPv6 penetration in those regions - generally low > - Now we have data that shows that IPv6 penetration is not necessarily > IPv6 usage and is generally less than reported. > > You don't support accelerated depletion of IPv4 > You don't have any data to support opinion that IPv4 depletion correlates > with IPv6 uptake > > Hint: 4 mobile companies and netflix is not the entire internet ...not > even in the US. > > I just needed to make this clear now that we have the attention of the > community and co-chairs on how to proceed with the PDP > > > On 28 October 2016 at 10:12, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:28 AM, Omo Oaiya <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 28 October 2016 at 09:01, Andrew Alston <[email protected] >> om> wrote: >> >>> Ø Like others, I would like to see widespread v6 adoption but we do >>> need to be careful to explain the stats we provide especially for those who >>> advocate to other stakeholders. >>> >>> >>> >>> I 100% agree… >>> >> >> Great >> >> >>> and this is why I asked if it could be explained to me how the >>> correlation between v4 depletion and v6 depletion was drawn from a >>> presentation that refers entirely to GDP correlation on v6 deployment, >>> because I honestly don’t understand that correlation. >>> >> >> I don't know where you got this from. Honest's point is that there is >> NO correlation between IPv4 depletion and IPv6 uptake i.e that you and Owen >> have opinions that are not supported by evidence or data >> >> >> >> You guys are talking across each other. >> >> Honest’s point may be that, but the presentation he referenced doesn’t >> say what Honest said. >> >> It says that there is a correlation between GDP and IPv6 uptake, but that >> there are pretty glaring anomalies even in that conclusion. >> >> Andrew is wondering how you equate a correlation in GDP to somehow >> meaning a lack of correlation in IPv4 depletion. The presentation provided >> no evidence of any such lack of correlation. >> >> >> >>> >>> Sadly, I’ve heard deafening silence since then, and it seems that >>> question is going unanswered. >>> >> >> Perhaps because she was bemused at the lack of understanding? >> >> >> If there is a lack of understanding, then it is among you and Honest >> because the presentation referenced by Honest does not say what you are now >> claiming it says. >> >> As someone from academia, Omo I am sure you agree with me that any >>> conclusions drawn from a dataset need to be explained by the individual >>> drawing the concerns in order for any weight to be applied to them? >>> >> >> No I don't. She provided an interpretation of the dataset which she >> argues is at odds with your opinions. From what I can see, she is correct. >> >> >> Which she are we referring to here? The one who gave the presentation at >> LACNIC? >> >> If that is the case, then her conclusion is orthogonal to what we have >> said about IPv4 depletion. Her conclusion is that there is a correlation >> between gross domestic product per capita and IPv6 uptake. In other words, >> the wealthiest nations are more likely to be early adopters of technology. >> >> This isn’t exactly startling news. >> >> However, it’s completely orthogonal to the question of whether lack of >> IPv4 resources drives IPv6 adoption. Currently there isn’t a meaningful >> lack of IPv4 resources anywhere except Asia. Even in Asia, they still >> remain relatively inexpensive, though costs are rising. We are seeing >> rising IPv6 adoption rates since APNIC, RIPE, and ARIN ran out of IPv4 >> addresses in their free pool. There are statistics to support this. >> >> IPv6 – Google >> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjPhZzHk_3PAhVpqFQKHS95BKgQFgg3MAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fintl%2Fen%2Fipv6%2Fstatistics.html&usg=AFQjCNF9akCtvOxGx3DO8AXKb1ibt3R4Jg> >> >> For example. >> >> >> It is up to you to defend your position with some data or substantiate an >> argument from what she has provided. >> >> >> So, the presentation you and Honest use to “prove” your point is >> orthogonal to your point. That’s Andrew’s point. >> I’ve now provided you with clear statistics showing that IPv6 uptake is >> accelerating since depletion. >> >> Can we now stop arguing over whether IPv4 depletion drives IPv6 adoption >> or not and get back to the real business at hand… Getting IPv6 deployed >> before IPv4 melts down into a puddle of NATd scrambled bits with no meaning >> left? >> >> Owen >> >> >> -Omo >> <http:/> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> > > > -- > Omo Oaiya > CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN > Mobile: +234 808 888 1571 , +221 784 305 224 > Skype: kodion > http://www.wacren.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >
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