Lu

I think you are misinterpreting the comment made.

I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed 
(resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal agreement). 
Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you.

The concern being raised is that absent specific policy on those issues we 
cannot remove those clauses from the RSA, lest we create a lacunae that could 
cause problems.

The suggestion (as I view it) as that we propose and finalise policy to replace 
the items in the RSA and once the policy has been ratified, we agree a 
mechanism to remove that issue from the RSA.

I did not see any ad hominem attack and I don’t think any was intended.

Mike

> On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:27, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, not 
>> the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate how 
>> we use IP addresses.
>> 
> 
>  It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it 
> responsibility to coordinate the management of INR.   Some might say this is 
> its primary responsibility.
> 
> Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only mechanism 
> available for fufilling this management mandate.   Your interest in removing 
> these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by proposing policy that 
> makes them redundant as Dewole suggests.
> 
> -Omo 
> 
> 
> 
> "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why must 
> it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that 
> contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some).
> 
> Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this shouldn't 
> happen in the very first place, because  in the bottom up process, only 
> community-developed policies are able to manage the IP address, which is the 
> golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to decide how they want to 
> use and manager the very resource they are using instead of lawyers.
> 
> By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply ask 
> lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - but 
> this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what 
> lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, 
> you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees.
> 
> RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they are 
> two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. While 
> RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so 
> AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage internet 
> resources.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> Kind regards.
> Lu
> 
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