Hi Mike: "Your interest" is a very personal attack.
As I mentioned in my previous email, I view the RSA and policy as two independent documents which serve for entirely different purposes. While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage internet resources. So by that logic, I don't think there should be any text inside both documents to be complementary to each other. If you think that any of these texts that I pointed out has a legal reason to remain, feel free to point it out. I am not a lawyer, what I do is to point out the texts which I believe are unrelated to the legal relationship between AFRINIC and its member. Even if a certain policy text is missing, we shouldn't expect RSA to enforce a policy that doesn't exist yet. Rather, we should make a policy proposal to ratify the policy. But anyway, can we discuss specific cause here instead of arguing whether we should use RSA to manage resource? With regards. Lu On 3 October 2017 at 17:02, Mike Silber <[email protected]> wrote: > Lu > > I think you are misinterpreting the comment made. > > I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed > (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal > agreement). Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you. > > The concern being raised is that absent specific policy on those issues we > cannot remove those clauses from the RSA, lest we create a lacunae that > could cause problems. > > The suggestion (as I view it) as that we propose and finalise policy to > replace the items in the RSA and once the policy has been ratified, we > agree a mechanism to remove that issue from the RSA. > > I did not see any ad hominem attack and I don’t think any was intended. > > Mike > > On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:27, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, >> not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate >> how we use IP addresses. >> >> >> It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it >> responsibility to coordinate the management of INR. Some might say this >> is its primary responsibility. >> >> Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only >> mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate. Your interest >> in removing these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by >> proposing policy that makes them redundant as Dewole suggests. >> >> -Omo >> >> >> >> "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why > must it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that > contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some). > > Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this shouldn't > happen in the very first place, because in the bottom up process, only > community-developed policies are able to manage the IP address, which is > the golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to decide how they want > to use and manager the very resource they are using instead of lawyers. > > By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply > ask lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - > but this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what > lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, > you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees. > > RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they > are two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. > While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members > so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage > internet resources. > > > > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > -- -- Kind regards. Lu
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