I will give Eddy the credit for retracting his mistakes. However, what bothers me in his statement (in the video), is one: the other means to acquire funds, what other means is the AFRINIC going to do? I hope that AFRINIC will be transparent in this accord, for the sake of the Community. Second, will be the Joint RIR Stability Fund. I have seen that AFRINIC is the smallest contributor in this stability fund ( https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/). The question is, can the AFRINIC contribute as much as their counterparts to the stability fund? Also, this hiccup in the operations of AFRINIC should trigger a sense of urgency in them to reform their system in order to deliver excellent services to their members.
Regards, Erick On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 1:47 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul Hjul has posted to this mailing list a number of well-reasoned > and eloquently articulated arguments that are more than sensible, > and with which I agree wholeheartedly. The quotes below are not > among them. > > In message < > caf4kypvn-oqth1-jbc5kctg4vc6wum62dtp8ayj+vj9+v6k...@mail.gmail.com> > Paul Hjul <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Hopefully the Board and management will quickly > >make it very clear that partnership in "building Africa's digital future" > >means collaboration of a global nature. It means devising consensus and > >action that is aimed at promoting a true digital future and distancing > from > >the deleterious xenophobic and regionalist attitudes and discourse that > >flares up. > > Paul, this is the second time that you have injected these dual epithets, > "xenophobic" and "regionalist" into the conversation here. I personally > feel that these terms are both distracting and beneath the otherwise > admirable level of your discourse. Further, I am not even persuaded > that the term "regionalist" even is an epithet, even though it is clear > that you intend us to interpret it that way. > > What is the opposite of "regionalist"? "Globalist"? Assuming so, I would > be more than happy to debate you, ad infinitum, on the question of whether > "globalism", writ large, has or has not improved the lot of the lower > classes globally, and specifically in the third world, or whether its > primary economic effects have been to make mega-billionaries even richer > to the point where they can now commute to space via their own private > rocket ships. > > Paul, if you're going to trumpet the beneficial effects of globalist > capitalism, then you had best be prepared also to defend its less > desirable effects as well. Is it right or proper or fair that a > poor sharecropper in Kenya should go hungry or that his daughter > should lose an eye for want of a surgeon, all because speculators in > New York have decided amongst themselves that the global price of > bulk coffee should be cut in half this week? > > >This brings me back to the fact that the best way to manage the risk which > >is plaguing the organization is to get as much dispute resolution handled > >outside of potentially organization shattering litigation. > > So you are in favor of unilateral disarmament on the part of AFRINIC? > You want them to go cap in hand to all three of the parties that are > current suing them and beg for a negotiated settlement in each case? > > Maybe we should make you the next U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan. > > >The membership > >simply do not know how many litigants there are knocking at Afrinic > > Objection your honor! Speculative. Calls for a conclusion not based on > the facts in evidence. > > I might as well speculate that there are just oodles and oodles of people > and companies lining up, as we speak, to sue -you-. (How do we know > there aren't? Can you prove that there aren't any such?) > > >but it > >is quite clear that there are several cases that need to be handled > >appropriately and to date the organization has crafted an environment > >favouring a litigious approach. > > I'll be blunt. That is utter rubbish. AFRINIC did the Right Thing by > reclaiming blocks of IP addresses which had been -provably- stolen from > its free pool. Two of those thieving companies sued, apparently based > on nothing other than bogus disinformation that they themselves had > manufactured out of their... well... out of thin air. Nothing AFRINIC > did in either of those two cases consitutes "crafting an environment > favouring a litigious approach". That is an utterly false, disingenuous, > and slanderous claim with no basis in fact and I encourage yoy to retract > it. > > More recently, AFRINIC, acting on information that none of us has yet even > seen, made a decision to reclaim a great deal of IPv4 space from a > different > party. In the wake of that decision, THE OTHER PARTY initiated legal > action. > > Once again, your narrative of AFRINIC "crafting an environment favouring > a litigious approach" falls flat in the cold light of day and the actual > facts. > > I'm damn glad that you are not the CEO of my bank. It seems that if you > were, and if the place got robbed, you would just throw up your hands and > say "Oh well! Boys will be boys!" > > If the bank got robbed three times in a row, you would blame it on the > bank and urge the bank president to sit down in arbitration with the > various robbers. > > We've seen this kind of thing where I live. Not recently but in the past. > Some people occasionally claim that women who have been molested have only > themselves to blame because they were wearing skirts that were too short. > Blame the victim. We don't do this too much here in the U.S. anymore, as > the practice has been well and widely discredited. The blame now properly > goes to the perpetrators, NOT to the victims. > > Let's be clear about who, exactly, has "crafted an environment favouring > a litigious approach". AFRINIC is currently facing three legal actions > against it. Who initiated each and all of those? > > I'll give you a hint. It wasn't AFRINIC. > > What AFRINIC has done may be right or may be wrong, but AFRINIC is not > the party that has initiated these legal actions, two of which, at > least, are based on some of the most provably outrageous frauds ever > conceived by the mind of man. > > It seems however that you want AFRINIC to sit down amicably with those > thieves and negotiate with them so that they each get to keep half of > what they have provably stolen. Doing so would only add disgrace to > dishonor, and I, for one, sincerly hope that AFRINIC does not do so. > > > Regards, > rfg > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >
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