On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 12:19 Erick Joshua Lagon, <[email protected]> wrote:
> However, what bothers me in his statement (in the video), is one: the > other means to acquire funds, what other means is the AFRINIC going to do? > Why do you care? I hope that AFRINIC will be transparent in this accord, for the sake of the > Community. > www.afrinic.net go there and get informed. Second, will be the Joint RIR Stability Fund. I have seen that AFRINIC is > the smallest contributor in this stability fund ( > https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/). > The question is, can the AFRINIC contribute as much as their counterparts > to the stability fund? > Would you rather the so called nra.help contributed or our great NRO system. Also, this hiccup in the operations of AFRINIC should trigger a sense of > urgency > What urgency? There is no rush. in them to reform their system in order to deliver excellent services to > their members. > And that is why we are here. AFRINIC is delivering an excellent service of ACCOUNTABILITY. Cheers, Noah > Regards, > Erick > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 1:47 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Paul Hjul has posted to this mailing list a number of well-reasoned >> and eloquently articulated arguments that are more than sensible, >> and with which I agree wholeheartedly. The quotes below are not >> among them. >> >> In message < >> caf4kypvn-oqth1-jbc5kctg4vc6wum62dtp8ayj+vj9+v6k...@mail.gmail.com> >> Paul Hjul <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >Hopefully the Board and management will quickly >> >make it very clear that partnership in "building Africa's digital future" >> >means collaboration of a global nature. It means devising consensus and >> >action that is aimed at promoting a true digital future and distancing >> from >> >the deleterious xenophobic and regionalist attitudes and discourse that >> >flares up. >> >> Paul, this is the second time that you have injected these dual epithets, >> "xenophobic" and "regionalist" into the conversation here. I personally >> feel that these terms are both distracting and beneath the otherwise >> admirable level of your discourse. Further, I am not even persuaded >> that the term "regionalist" even is an epithet, even though it is clear >> that you intend us to interpret it that way. >> >> What is the opposite of "regionalist"? "Globalist"? Assuming so, I would >> be more than happy to debate you, ad infinitum, on the question of whether >> "globalism", writ large, has or has not improved the lot of the lower >> classes globally, and specifically in the third world, or whether its >> primary economic effects have been to make mega-billionaries even richer >> to the point where they can now commute to space via their own private >> rocket ships. >> >> Paul, if you're going to trumpet the beneficial effects of globalist >> capitalism, then you had best be prepared also to defend its less >> desirable effects as well. Is it right or proper or fair that a >> poor sharecropper in Kenya should go hungry or that his daughter >> should lose an eye for want of a surgeon, all because speculators in >> New York have decided amongst themselves that the global price of >> bulk coffee should be cut in half this week? >> >> >This brings me back to the fact that the best way to manage the risk >> which >> >is plaguing the organization is to get as much dispute resolution handled >> >outside of potentially organization shattering litigation. >> >> So you are in favor of unilateral disarmament on the part of AFRINIC? >> You want them to go cap in hand to all three of the parties that are >> current suing them and beg for a negotiated settlement in each case? >> >> Maybe we should make you the next U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan. >> >> >The membership >> >simply do not know how many litigants there are knocking at Afrinic >> >> Objection your honor! Speculative. Calls for a conclusion not based on >> the facts in evidence. >> >> I might as well speculate that there are just oodles and oodles of people >> and companies lining up, as we speak, to sue -you-. (How do we know >> there aren't? Can you prove that there aren't any such?) >> >> >but it >> >is quite clear that there are several cases that need to be handled >> >appropriately and to date the organization has crafted an environment >> >favouring a litigious approach. >> >> I'll be blunt. That is utter rubbish. AFRINIC did the Right Thing by >> reclaiming blocks of IP addresses which had been -provably- stolen from >> its free pool. Two of those thieving companies sued, apparently based >> on nothing other than bogus disinformation that they themselves had >> manufactured out of their... well... out of thin air. Nothing AFRINIC >> did in either of those two cases consitutes "crafting an environment >> favouring a litigious approach". That is an utterly false, disingenuous, >> and slanderous claim with no basis in fact and I encourage yoy to retract >> it. >> >> More recently, AFRINIC, acting on information that none of us has yet even >> seen, made a decision to reclaim a great deal of IPv4 space from a >> different >> party. In the wake of that decision, THE OTHER PARTY initiated legal >> action. >> >> Once again, your narrative of AFRINIC "crafting an environment favouring >> a litigious approach" falls flat in the cold light of day and the actual >> facts. >> >> I'm damn glad that you are not the CEO of my bank. It seems that if you >> were, and if the place got robbed, you would just throw up your hands and >> say "Oh well! Boys will be boys!" >> >> If the bank got robbed three times in a row, you would blame it on the >> bank and urge the bank president to sit down in arbitration with the >> various robbers. >> >> We've seen this kind of thing where I live. Not recently but in the past. >> Some people occasionally claim that women who have been molested have only >> themselves to blame because they were wearing skirts that were too short. >> Blame the victim. We don't do this too much here in the U.S. anymore, as >> the practice has been well and widely discredited. The blame now properly >> goes to the perpetrators, NOT to the victims. >> >> Let's be clear about who, exactly, has "crafted an environment favouring >> a litigious approach". AFRINIC is currently facing three legal actions >> against it. Who initiated each and all of those? >> >> I'll give you a hint. It wasn't AFRINIC. >> >> What AFRINIC has done may be right or may be wrong, but AFRINIC is not >> the party that has initiated these legal actions, two of which, at >> least, are based on some of the most provably outrageous frauds ever >> conceived by the mind of man. >> >> It seems however that you want AFRINIC to sit down amicably with those >> thieves and negotiate with them so that they each get to keep half of >> what they have provably stolen. Doing so would only add disgrace to >> dishonor, and I, for one, sincerly hope that AFRINIC does not do so. >> >> >> Regards, >> rfg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >
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