On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 06:51:35AM -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: > Greg Stein wrote: > > Sorry, but nominations for membership, commit status, or PMC membership > > really should be private. I absolutely will not participate in such an > > environment, and will encourage others to avoid it also. These kinds of > > discussions really don't enhance the community. > > Greg, > > At a minimum, please acknowledge that a large number of ASF commiters
ACK > have never participated in (or even have access to) private ASF mailing > lists, have only seen commiter nominations done in public (and many have > done so themselves), and the only PMC nominations that they have seen > have also been done in the open (Jakarta, XML). I already knew that. It doesn't change my thinking, though. The fact that it happened doesn't mean it is good/bad, just that it happened that way. Personally, I think it was bad. I had no place or right to say so, so I didn't. But when that behavior impacts member nominations? i.e. the ASF itself? Oh yah, then I'll add some commentary :-) "But it works -- we have committers" "But it works -- Jakarta has produced some great code" "But it works -- ..." Well, yes to all of those. Sure it did. My concern is about the impact on the community, not the ability to get work done. And measuring the health of a community is quite a bit less objective. I never had the opportunity to interact or really view or hear about the ins-and-outs of the Jakarta community until these past two or three weeks. And you know what? I think it *is* fractured, and that is sad. I witnessed some straight-on personal attacks on the reorg@ list, and been privy to others due to my Board role. People actively stating they don't want to work with somebody or interact with them. I've never seen the like in the httpd and apr communities where we avoid talking about people publicly. Is there a causal link? Probably not, or if so, then very minor. But I don't want to test the hypothesis. I don't want to give any foothold for community fractures; it just isn't worth the risk. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
