Welcome to the minority, Joshua.  :)

- Morgan

--- Joshua Slive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Sander Striker wrote:
> > community@ is the only ASF wide list that is
> opt-in and not bound to
> > a certain topic (like infrastructure@ for
> example).  committers@ always
> > reaches _all_ committers if they want to
> participate or not.  So that
> > list is not an option.
> 
> The fact that it is the only ASF-wide list for
> discussion seems to be an
> argument for opening it, not closing it.
> 
> > Anyway, there are arguments for and against, a
> bunch of them are in the
> > reorg@ archives.
> >
> > In the community@ archives you can find the vote
> on whether this list
> > should be open or closed.
> 
> Yah.  Right.  And where would I find those archives?
>  One good reason for
> opening a list is it allows us to have public
> archives.
> 
> Sorry for rehashing an old issue, but I just can't
> imagine a topic I would
> want to discuss on here that I wouldn't want to be
> public.  Apache is an
> open organization.  All discussion should be open
> unless there is a very
> specific reason otherwise.  And the only reasons I
> can think of are
> security, legal, and making decisions on "trust"
> (which I always put in
> quotes).  None of that should be happening here.
> 
> If I were to write a set of Apache principles, "Open
> discussion and
> debate" would certainly be one of them.  We aren't
> following that here.
> 
> Joshua.
> 
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Morgan Delagrange
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