>Subject: Re: Mac Classics for $2, Networking Question
>Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:03:48 -0600
>

>WOW. I don't think it special, but I'll not know until I open it up. Outside
>appearances are all normal as best I can tell, but then I've not looked at
>one for years. It's got all the standard plugs, but there's a cover plate
>above the serial number about 3/4" high by 4" long and it's color is "off"
>and don't quite match the rest of the case. I'm also suspicious of it since
>the screen has a slight "shifting" to it. At first I thought it was just
>something going bad inside, and most likely is, but now I'd like to confirm.
>There's also no programs or startup extensions that look related to video.
>Ok, I'm game. How can I open it without a case cracker or where can I get
>one? Is it just a matter of getting an extra long torc screwdriver?
>Oh, and I was off on a couple things. Was there a model that was just SE?
>That's what it says on the front, but I assumed it was a SE/30 as that is
>what I used to use many years ago. It's also running System 6.0.8 with 4MB
>ram on a 13MB HD. I can't find any real diagnostic tools on here, and have
>to dig through my old disks to find something that could maybe give some
>details on it. I also know it was in use in an elementary school up until
>Dec 2002 as I found student files on it still. Good to see it's had a long
>and useful life. Hopefully I can extend that even further.
>One last question: Are the keyboard and mouse "hot swappable"? Since I have
>4 Macs and only two sets of keyboards/mice, can I unplug them and plug them
>when the Macs are on?
>

To open the case you need a long shank torx T-15 driver. (or is it T-10?) 
Sears makes a nice Craftsman one that costs about $5 IIRC. As to the case 
cracker, I use a wide flat blade screwdriver. It doesn't take much to 
remove the back case, at least not in the few (6 or less) I've messed 
with. I stick the screwdriver in the seam and twist it rather than pry. 

Apple did make an SE, which looks nearly identical to an SE/30 The name 
plate and one less jack (headphone?) in the back, are the only external 
differences. The SE uses a 68000 processor at 8 MHz, while the SE/30 uses 
a 68030 at 16 MHz. When you open the case you can either look at the 
processors to determine what you have or look at the RAM slots. An SE 
will have 4 SIMM sockets, while the SE/30 has eight.

There's a website (don't have the URL handy :( ) called something like 
the SE Support pages. I'd be willing to bet there's a link for it at 
Lowendmac.com. This website says that you can put an SE/30 motherboard in 
an SE case without a lot of trouble; I haven't tried it, but I'm guessing 
someone on this list has. If you want an SE/30 and end up having an SE, 
this might be something to consider. However, you did say the machine was 
acting oddly, so that may not be the best choice. 

Hope some of this helps,



J White

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