Re: Surfing on a Classic II

[Darren]

Liam Proven wrote:
On 4/13/05, Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

There are third party VM programs, all very fussy none remain installed,
yet the mac emulator has no problem if the cpu is right, no (e)
   

I have to say I'm finding your writing rather hard to follow. It would
really help if you could take a bit more time over punctuation and so
on. What does this mean?
 

OK I'll type slower for you. You can install programs that will give the 
amiga virtual VM. I have tried a few without much success and they have 
been removed.
Yet you can run a mac emulation such as Fusion which will make use of 
non crippled cpu and allow you to have virtaul memory under the 
emulation. As Amigas have no VM they used a mix of standard and EC 
chips, if you have a EC chip you will have no VM under emulation

Sure, it was expensive, but really, the point was that the OS was
pretty much unusable without a hard disk. I know, I used it. It worked
but it wasn't pleasant. So the cheap price of the Amiga was illusory:
to get it to shine, you needed to spend a lot more than the basic
system price.
 

Umm, I dont think so, the option was there but you didnt need a hdd.
Yes, an Amiga could do all the cool multitasking and so on running
from floppies, but so could a PC if you had the patience of a rock.
It's not such a big deal.
 

If you say so, again I think your wrong
Kewl, my 030/50 phase IV cost my remaining arm and leg, plugs into the
lan via a old pcmcia network card. No scsi - hard to find down here I do
have the ide buffer board which helps
   

The 1200 has internal IDE, tho'. I have a 400MB notebook HD attached to mine.
 

It doesn't have to live in that keyboard shaped box does it, makes 
having a 3.5" drive and the floppy drive and a cd burner a tad hard

Not on System 6. I had MacOS 7.6.1 online on it /years/ ago; that's /easy!/
     

My mistake, I thought the trouble was with 7.
   

I think maybe you should spend a little more time /reading/ the
messages as well, then. :�)
 

Hard to argue with that, thanks so much for the tip.
For appletalk on BetaX try sheepsaver or BII as opposed to booting from
classic mode. 
       

Still don't understand that bit.
 

Fairly simple, leave old crusty running OSX and try a emulator to allow 
you to use appletalk, works well on other systems I'd imagine it would 
work on OSX. I run Panther on one of the pc's here and cant use 
compatibility mode so I guess I'll have to try it.

Ignored not forgotten, WinUEA, there is a mac port around, just one of a
multitude of emulators to play with.
inUAE. UEA is the University of East Anglia. I know - got it, played
with it, years ago, before I had a real Miggy.
But it is ignored, inasmuch as the lessons of these earlier machines
were not learned and the PC design is only slowly and painfully
incorporating some of them even today.
) do we call that progress, I think we do.
   

Speak for yourself!
 

We were, so what do you call it.
Oh, I know, but MacTCP does the job. Also, the sites are unanimous
that OT is really slow on '030 machines and in low memory. The Classic
II is both.
Which is why I dont install it nor recommend it but it does have
advantages that need to be pointed out.
   

Um. To put it politely, I think you're assuming that I know rather
less about this than I actually do...
 

Cant say I gave it much thought, some folks like OT, I dont see it at 
needed by most 68k macs.
Mactpc doesnt do everything OT does. I'm sure you know that not all 
appletalk shares will show in the Chooser and the only way to connect to 
these is with OT. I'm sure you also know appletalk and the Chooser 
become tied to OT with updating.
Basicly I reply to the list as a whole, if I reply to you off list you 
then can assume all you want. As that is very unlikely I'd prefer you 
just assumed I was trying to give a balanced answer.

Our first ppc had both installed I'm fairly sure it was called Network
and lived in the apple extras folder.
   

Hmm. I've disabled OT using Extension Manager, copied in MacTCP and it
works, significantly quicker, too, on downloading files - but I still
have no Network control panel and my Appletalk CP now doesn't work
'cos OT isn't loaded.
 

Seems simple enough, fix it.
Found this interesting, someone here probably contributed. ;) It may be
useful
http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/motorola/68k-chips-faq.html
   

Er, yes. Not /terribly/ relevant, though...
Nah, it wasn't meant to be, good read anyway. I didn't know the 010 had VM
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