I'm really interested in this also, but unfortunately I know pretty much to nothing of 3d rendering.
On 10/19/07, Mark McCarron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was thinking of a black void into which objects could be placed. For > example, you would be able to render an entire level of an FPS within the > void and include basic collision detection. I know that a void will add to > the overhead as both the inside and outside must be rendered. Also, most > games use a form of BSP tree that only renders what is visible as a method > of optimisation. > > I have a good sense of what I want to achieve in terms of visual and > interaction. For example, let's say you are using MySpace (or Facebook, > Newsvine, etc.) and there is a link that will direct you to someone's public > desktop. After clicking the link, the user will be directed away from the > current window to a seamless transition to the the other users desktop. > This depends on two factors, firstly a dynamic DNS entry being available for > the system in question and it being powered on at the time. Each desktop > could contain shortcuts that will lead to other desktops, so that people can > surf from desktop to desktop. > > I would like to develop a prototype, but unfortunately I work and it > leaves very little time for anything else. That's why I thought I would try > to describe the interface here. Besides, its something that will need to > integrated into the overall architecture of Compiz and that's best left to > the developers. > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:08:28 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [compiz] Feature Request > CC: compiz@lists.freedesktop.org > > I agree that it wouldn't be technically challenging to implement, at least > the basic features. The tricky part is definitely figuring out the best way > to give the user control over the space. Does the space look like an FPS > level, with rooms and architecture, or just a black void with windows > floating around? > > The more specific of a vision you have, the easier it is to write code > for. Figuring out what to do is often harder than how to do it. > > If you can code in OpenGL, a good place to start is to just write a > standalone application with dummy blocks to represent the windows, and FPS > movement controls. I've actually written something like that in the past > for a different project. That would be a good sandbox to play with control > schemes. Windows are inherently 2D, so to keep them from disappearing if > the user is looking the wrong way I suggest it might be useful to map them > to cubes. > > > > On 10/19/07, *Mark McCarron* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From a technical perspective, its no more complex than Compiz already is. > Its really a matter of developing an intuitive method of interaction with > the environment. Its very feasible and something that is easily realised. > The methods are tried and tested in games systems, 3D editors and even 3D > file managers. Thus, there are no new technical aspects, its merely the > packaging of those features into a desktop interface. > > The business applications can be helpful if used properly, however, the > biggest usage will be the domestic home user. The concept of a public > desktop space (or virtual room), that can be shared across the Internet, > will add to social networking model. It will also lead to new paradigms in > terms of web interaction, navigation and information exchange. > > One other major benefit will be the promotion of both X and the Linux > platform in general. To use these new features, end user's Operating > Systems will need to be compatible with X. Whilst I'm sure limited > interfaces could be designed for Windows desktops, it will function a lot > better as a native Linux user. > > There is a chance here to leave the competing Operating Systems for dust > and to force their hand in terms of inter-operability. > > Carpe diem. > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:02:47 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [compiz] Feature Request > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; compiz@lists.freedesktop.org > > I had a similar idea, but I think they said it wasn't too feasible much on > the forums. > > Why do you capitalize "window" though? > > I really like your business applications for this - they really do sound > very good. This'll be excellent. > > On 10/19/07, *Mark McCarron* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good questions. I have a few suggestions that may help, I'm sure the > Compiz developers will be able to structure the controls much better. So, > take this as a basis from which to begin. > > There would be two basic modes, the first mode would be free space, that > is, your mouse guides you through the desktop space. Upon selecting a > window, you would enter the second mode, the mouse controls would now act > upon the selected Window. A simple left-click in free space would return > the user to the first mode. > > I would expect the user to be able walk around the environment similar to > any FPS. Movement can either be provided by a mouse click providing > acceleration, or via keyboard controls again similar to any FPS. > > As windows are objects, perhaps they should have a small control on the > border of the windows that can be manipulated by the mouse. This control > would allow the user to alter each of dimensions independently. A small > clickable X,Y,Z object would work well. This control could be expanded to > allow for rotation and scaling of the object. > > A quick switch utility is something that is definitely required. Whilst > the freedom aspect is good, the desktop must provide a productive > environment. I like the wall utility too, I find it very handy. I would > expect this to look at the space from above and provide the user with a > sense of where each window is located as well as a bitmap preview. > > There should also be support for the direct loading and rendering of > meshes. This is both for decoration and as a tool for work > environments. Collaborative design work, even across multiple vendors, would > become very easy. Architects would be able to work on designs with > real-time client input, car designers would be able to work as team, etc. > I'm not suggesting a full editing environment, just a basic viewer that > supports major formats. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:33:58 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; compiz@lists.freedesktop.org > Subject: Re: [compiz] Feature Request > > This is an interesting idea. How would the user control how the windows > move in the depth dimension? Would the user actually "walk" around such a > space? With such a large space, how would one get to a particular window > quickly, i.e. is there still a switcher? > > A 2D slice of such a space reminds me a lot of the current "Wall" plugin > that compiz has, and is one of my favorites. > > > > On 10/18/07, *Mark McCarron* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I have been thinking of a new style of interface that could be added to > Compiz. Essentially, rather than having a desktop, the user would be > presented with a space in which to work. This space would be several meters > wide in real terms and the user could navigate the space in a similar > fashion to a 3D game. > > Windows could be grabbed and thrown throughout the space, providing a very > large workspace. This would also allow the user to physically arrange > Windows in the space according to particular tasks or functions. A simple > double-click of a Window would cause it to snap into full 2D view were the > application can be worked upon. > > The concept of multiple desktops, could be implemented as multiple > spaces. Given the network transparency of X, it would also allow for the > concept of a public space. A public space would be a desktop that is shared > either across a LAN or Internet. This has both business and personal > applications. In terms of business, it can be used for presentations, > reviewing designs, etc. In terms of personal use, it would open a new area > to social networking, desktop surfing. End users could store images, videos > and a range of interactive items that members of the public can view or > download. > > I realise that this can prove to be a bandwidth hog, but like everything > in computer world, this will only improve with time and become less of an > issue. > > ------------------------------ > The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live > Hotmail<http://www.newhotmail.co.uk/> > > _______________________________________________ > compiz mailing list > compiz@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz > > > > ------------------------------ > Do you know a place like the back of your hand? 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