> > Who has the best Go programs at 19x19 level? I think David > Fotland is > only 2 Dan and his is one of the best. I know the old > handtalk program > was written by a very strong player. How strong is Michael Reiss? > And the other top guys?
The programs that reached the top quickly were all written by strong players. Nemesis - Bruce Wilcox - 5 Dan Goliath - Mark Boon - 6 Dan Handtank - Chen Zhixing - 6 Dan Go Intellect - Ken Chen - 6 Dan I was improving from 4 kyu to 1 dan while I was writing most of Many Faces, and It typically finished 3rd or 4th. Michael Reiss was about 1 Kyu or 1 Dan. His program became very strong against other programs over a long period of time with a lot of tuning against those programs. So I'd say that programmer go strength gives a small edge, enough to push the program from strong to best. I agree with Don that most important thing is the ability to turn your unconscious go knowledge into explicit knowledge that you can articulate. David > > I'm not an expert on this but I would just guess that it's a > bit more important in GO to be strong than in games like chess. > > > - Don > > > On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 07:41 +0200, Russ Williams wrote: > > On 9/11/07, Joshua Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Was reading a page about Go and came across this term. > Anyone know > > > what it means? > > > > With no disrespect intended, it seems like there are a fair > number of > > go programmers who don't actually know go very much beyond > the rules > > themselves. (I'm assuming from your question that you fall > into this > > category.) > > > > So I'm curious why non-go-players (or minimal-go-players) are > > interested in programming go, instead of a game they know well. Is > > there a similar situation in chess (are there a lot of chess > > programmers who don't really know chess)? Hmm, maybe so. > > > > I also wonder whether experienced go programmers believe > one needs to > > know go to be able to make a very strong go program. Or > will some of > > the new Monte Carlo etc techniques sufficiently supplant > expert domain > > knowledge that any good programmer with just a rudimentary > knowledge > > of the rules of go will be able to make a strong go program? > > > > cheers, > > russ > > _______________________________________________ > > computer-go mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
