there's not really much sense in a game 'won' in the first 10 moves. i.e. i mean that it doesn't have much intrinsic meaning. i think it's fair to throw away game results that have this feature to them, then only cooperating programs will have their results counted.
s. ----- Original Message ---- From: Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:23:46 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] 19x19 CGOS One way to handle handicaps without a server change which could be easily implemented with the client is to to simply make the first N moves random - but it would not resemble a traditional handicap system in any way. Plus the first N moves might end up being pretty good moves so it would be applied unevenly. The problem with any black pass moves is that white immediately passes too and wins on komi points. Unless there are no white stones on the board of course. There is no simple way to fake it with combinations of pass moves with programs cooperating. Probably most programs won't pass on the first 20 moves or so, but we can't count on that behavior because it's incorrect. You should always pass immediately if it wins the game outright. - Don John Tromp wrote: > On 10/29/07, Christoph Birk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Jacques Basaldúa wrote: >> >>> This can also be done by the programmers. E.g. If CrazyStone is too strong, >>> Rèmi can introduce a CrazyStoneH3 which passes 3 times >>> at the beginning. But not at the first move, to avoid smart tricks. >>> >>> If CrazyStoneH3 is given white and plays: 2. whatever 4. pass 6. pass 8. >>> pass. Black cannot pass and win the game because of komi. >>> > > But to avoid Black from winning by capturing white's stone and passing, > white needs to make sure to play her stone where it has 4 liberties. > Even that is not sufficient; white has to play this stone on the 3rd > line or higher > (exercise for the reader: how cld black take advantage of some 2nd line moves?) > > regards, > -John > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
