>> The difference between ManyFaces blitz and slow is also a lovely gem of >> information. A quick check shows both accounts are playing a lot of > > I have a data about this. > AyaMC4 and AyaMC play on same condition, but it is not for human. > AyaMC4 is blitz. > > Human is about 1 rank weaker in blitz.
Hi Hiroshi, That is interesting; can I just check I've not misunderstood? You are saying that humans play about 1 rank (more precisely, 0.7 ranks) weaker when playing blitz against a fixed strength opponent? Going back to the Many Faces blitz (1.8d) and slow (0.6d), suggests that ManyFaces playing blitz against a human playing at slow time levels would be 1.8d - 0.7 = 1.1d. I.e. ManyFaces *loses* half a rank by thinking more :-) That is unlikely to be the case, implying people lose more strength playing blitz? In the Aya experiment I wonder if people playing slowly against a fast opponent tend to speed up and not use all their thinking time? Darren P.S. Using your last year's data, the difference is 1.2 ranks, which exactly matches the ManyFaces data, but still suggests ManyFaces gets no benefit from thinking more. > AyaMC4 1k (0.1k) 10sec/mov (8cores) 1minute + 15sec byoyomi (x10) > AyaMC 1k (0.8k) 10sec/mov (8cores) 10minutes + 30sec byoyomi (x5) > AyaMC2 3k (2.6k) 10000 playouts 10minutes + 30sec byoyomi (x5) > AyaBot2 4k (3.6k) 5000 playouts 10minutes + 30sec byoyomi (x5) > AyaBot4 5k (4.6k) 5000 playouts 10minutes + 30sec byoyomi (x5) > > These are last year's data, > > AyaMC4 2k (1.4k) 10sec/mov (8cores) 1minute + 15sec byoyomi (x10) > AyaMC 3k (2.6k) 10sec/mov (8cores) 10minutes + 30sec byoyomi (x5) > (about 160000 playouts/mov) -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer Specializing in intelligent search (in multiple languages), discovery of context, aiding communication, and basically helping people find and make good use of their data. http://dcook.org/gobet/ (Shodan Go Bet - who will win?) http://dcook.org/mlsn/ (Multilingual open source semantic network) http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
