In message <01bd01cb4ea3$60681220$213836...@com>, David Fotland <[email protected]> writes

I also prefer more rounds, even if the time limits must be shorter.  Is it
possible to get a volunteer to help Nick run the tournaments so he can get a
break and the tournaments can be 8 to 12 hours long?

I have been restricting tournament lengths to eight hours, so that participants can watch they whole thing if they choose. If it runs from 08:00 to 16:00 UTC, then East Asians and Europeans can reasonably watch the whole thing; if from 16:00 to 00:00 UCT, West Europeans and Americans likewise. But some people are willing to enter anyway when the event is in the "wrong" timezone for them.

I would welcome opinions on this. Are there people who would be unwilling to enter an event which takes place (at least partly) while they are asleep? Are there people who would prefer to se 12-hour-plus events, even if they are asleep?



I wonder how much I need to be awake and watching while these tournaments take place. Things are very busy for me in the 20 minutes before play starts; but once it has started, I don't do much, I just try to watch some of the games in case something interesting happens.

I used to have to intervene quite a lot, but the bots are becoming better-behaved. I did not need to intervene at all on Sunday. I will list some of the ways I have intervened in the past.

1.) Two bots agree the game is over, but fail to agree on the score. The clean-up procedure fails somehow. I count the game and assign the result.

2.) A bot vanishes, or remains connected to KGS but does not move. I message its operator and encourage him to wake it up. I did this twice for PueGo on Sunday, but I was not obliged to do so.

3.) A game ends (possibly in a non-standard way), but one of the bots refuses to leave it, even when it should be joining its next game. I "kill" the game.

4.) A bot remains connected to KGS but does not move, and its operator is not connected to KGS. I "kick" it, in the hope that this will wake it up. It seems to take five minutes to recover from being kicked, so I only do this in slow events.

5.) A bot wins, typically in the clean-up phase or on time, when it "did not deserve to". Its operator asks me to change the result to a loss.

All this is unnecessary. If I don't do any of it, bots that never misbehave won't suffer.



My inclination is: if there is sufficient support, hold 12-hour events, or longer. When an event is such that I won't be able to invigilate the whole thing, have tougher criteria for entry - to enter, a bot must have played in a previous tournament, in which in played in every round, did not misbehave in an annoying way, showed that it supports clean-up, and won at least one game.

Nick
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