On Feb 1, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
You need to drop the platitudes and snark and make a logical
argument. If what labor produces does not belong to labor, to whom
does it belong?
Here we are back at the lessons of kindergarden. Red faced, with
nostrils
flaring, nobody but nobody is going to touch "your" toys.
I have no problem with freely lending my toys or sharing them. This
discussion is not about such, it is about government taking my toys
and giving them to someone else who is not ethically entitled to them.
Ok, let's break it down logically. What are the factors of
production and
who supplied them?
Your body was supplied by God. If you reject God, then your parents
and
their parents, ad infinitum.
The knowledge to use your body productively came from school, mostly
supplied by government.
Nonsense - mostly from life experience and parental guidance. A
narrow range of academic knowledge came from school, and my parents,
and now me, paid and have no problem paying property taxes to support
same.
The safe environment surrounding your body, mostly supplied by
government.
No, mostly supplied by nature, with government acting to prevent
predation.
You paid for your shirt and house, but civilization made it possible
for you to buy them.
But government is one part of civilization, not the whole part, nor
even the most essential part.
The social system in which you could exercise and benefit from your
work, supplied by civilization.
See Above, and I agree that prevention of predation is a key role of
government.
The money you so greedily want to hold on to, supplied by government.
No, the convenient medium of exchange not precisely the same thing.
The force to keep somebody bigger than you from taking away all your
money, supplied by government.
See Above.
You know, now that I think about it logiclly, you are holding on to
way
too much of the profits.
Profits? If only we were only taxed on profits - all I earn after all
I spend to maintain myself and family, taxes would be low indeed.
Looks to me like your share will be well under 5 percent.
Please, do the math to demonstrate this. Provide copies of your tax
returns that show this is what you pay.
Or, you could actually attempt a logically constructed argument.
Matthew
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