I guess I shouldn't have delved into the tricky definitions of these terms.
Let me try to clarify. From that site I referenced, I thought we could
all agree with items 1-6, in that, most of us are small l liberal. I.e.
we all agree with the same ends; equality under the law, equal
opportunity, no discrimination, etc. It is the means to achieve these
objectives that divide us. Back again to that smaller/bigger government
involvement issue.
That site went on further to distinguish Conservatives and Modern
Liberals. In most of the discussions in this long and unending thread,
we all should have used the cap form. (I'm sure that you have many small
c conservative qualities, like protection of natural resources.) (I am a
democrat, but not a Democrat)
I'm surprised that Scalia said either of the quotes you gave. Can you
cite? I highly doubt the former. The latter is a gross misstatement of
original intent. It completely ignores the amendments which have made
many improvements in our Constitution over the centuries (Correcting
slavery, suffrage, etc)
Back to Scalia. I was impressed with his take on his (losing) vote on
the Lawrence v. Texas ruling. He supported the legality of the
legislation, that states can enact laws pertaining to morality, while at
the same time saying that if he had been in that legislature, he would
have voted against it. He did not let his liberal view of homosexuality
cloud the interpretation of law.
I stand by my claim, that since the core of Modern Conservative
philosophy is limited government, and that was the aim of our founders,
then they would be more attuned to Modern Conservatism even though I
agree that they were all small l liberals.
Finally, if Liberal isn't a bad word anymore, why do Liberals call
themselves Progressives now instead.
b_s-wilk wrote:
Again, I was referring to contemporary usage of the terms liberal and
conservative. If you looked at the link I gave, you will see that
today the term liberal usually refers to Modern Liberal as described
there.
I cannot think of any modern conservatives who would side with the
Tories. Modern conservatives are more attuned to the original
principles of the Constitution (think Judge Scalia).
That's stunning. You say that Antonin 'torture isn't cruel and unusual
punishment so it's Constitutional' Scalia is a liberal. You say that
Antonin 'we have a Constitution that is fixed by the words as the
Founders understood them back in the late 1700s' Scalia is a liberal.
Amazing.
The odd [re-]definition of liberal from conservative-resources.com, is
doublespeak that would make Frank Luntz smile. The good news is that
liberal isn't a bad word any more. The bad news is that the
redefinition is so blatantly wrong. Liberal = conservative? Was Ben
Franklin conservative? Thomas Jefferson? James Madison? Not hardly.
The Internet contains a vast wealth of information and is also a vast
wasteland. You want Jack Kennedy to be a conservative? You can find
plenty of sites claiming that. You want Barack Obama to be the most
liberal person in the Senate [pre-POTUS]? You can find plenty of site
claiming that too. Both assertions are wrong.
How do you preserve history and direct seekers to facts and rational
discussions instead of getting lost and entangled in a jungle of
disinformation and fantasy? How do we educate our children so that
they have the ability to know the difference and discern truth/fact
from fiction?
Betty
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