Probably the best way is to add an item to the Feature Request database: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=201579&atid=978130
Do you plan to ask those folks for their source code? If not, I will. It sure would be nice to see what they are doing, rather than have to recreate it from scratch. Scott On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Russell, J.J. wrote: > Scott, > > Thanks for clearing this up. I was not aware of the subtleties involved > here and now understand why there was so much confusion. > >> From a strictly provincial point-of-view, entering the hex codes is the >> functionality I lack. I can use the regular LogiTech interface to >> learn IR codes. The other functionalities offered by concordance >> (saving configurations etc), are interesting, particularly when I make >> massive changes, it would be nice to have a back-up. However, I have >> no path to enter hex codes, which is what I really need. > > Asking LogiTech to organize and enter the 50+ codes I want is probably > too much to ask, although I do kind of wonder how much effort that they > put into picking and choosing the subset that they did. Seems like the > path of least resistance would have been to just put them all in. This, > of course, is not of concordance's concern, but it was led me down this > path. > > How do I request that this functionality be officially added? I do > software for a living so am fully aware how quickly one can create a > mess. Writing code is sometimes a lot easier than keeping it under > control. > > JJRussell > > > On Feb 3, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Scott Talbert <s...@techie.net> wrote: > >> Okay, this all makes a lot more sense now. The version of Concordance >> that you downloaded is *not* the official version of Concordance. The >> official version of Concordance does not have the "Pronto [H]ex code" >> option that you've described. Additionally, the official version of >> Concordance requires that a remote be connected. >> >> If this feature is something that you'd like to see in the official >> version of Concordance (and would thus be in all versions, to include >> Mac), perhaps you can ask for the source code of their changes. In fact, >> I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure they are violating the GPL by not >> distributing the source with their modifications. >> >> Scott >> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Russell, J.J. wrote: >> >>> Scott, >>> >>> I am treading on shaky ground here, so be a bit careful in how you >>> interpret this. >>> >>> When I do this on the PC platform, I work from the unpacked files of a >>> downloaded .zip file (see below for the source of this file). There is a >>> pre-built concordance.exe and libconcord.dll plus a file giving >>> information about the .URL of the LogiTech Web site to contact. In >>> addition to the 3 aforementioned files (concordance.exe, libconcord.dll >>> and "Harmon Link.URL"), the downloaded .zip file comes with a cmd.bat >>> file which invokes concordance as follows >>> >>> -> concordance.exe -l LearnIr.EZTut. >>> >>> So, at least, knowingly, I don't think congruity is being invoked. >>> >>> I am then prompted for what I want to do, I enter 'H' to indicate I wish >>> to input an ASCII string representation of the hex code. At that point >>> the program seems to make contact with the LogiTech Web site and then >>> adds the code to device's specified database. >>> >>> >>> I was believing (hoping???) the Mac version was the same, just built for >>> the Mac instead of the PC. >>> >>> JJRussell >>> >>> >>> PS: In the learn_ir_command routine there is a prompt that looks very >>> similar to the one I am seeing in the PC version, except there is no 'H' >>> option. >>> >>> >>> The instructions and procedure are from this Web page >>> >>> http://www.avforums.com/forums/remote-controls/1510519-guide-getting-pronto-hex-codes-into-your-harmony-remote.html >>> >>> which, on a PC, I followed in cookbook like fashion. >>> >>> Just for completeness, here is the contents of "Harmony Link.URL" >>> >>> [InternetShortcut] >>> URL=http://members.harmonyremote.com/EasyZapper/ >>> IDList= >>> HotKey=0 >>> >>> [{000214A0-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}] >>> Prop3=19,2 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Scott Talbert >>> <s...@techie.net<mailto:s...@techie.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Hmm, upon looking further, Congruity (the python-based GUI which uses the >>> libconcord backend) does appear to have a capability where you can enter >>> Pronto Hex codes. Are you using Congruity? >>> >>> It does still appear to require you to have a remote connected, though. >>> >>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Scott Talbert wrote: >>> >>> Are you sure you are doing this with concordance? If so, how are you >>> doing it, e.g., what command line option(s) are you using? >>> >>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Russell, J.J. wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> >>> The issue is not with learning IR codes from an existing remote, it is >>> with entering raw Pronto Hex Codes. These are codes that exist neither >>> in the LogiTech provided list of commands for my AV receiver nor as any >>> 'button' on the AV remote, so there is no source remote to 'learn' the >>> codes from. My only source is for these hex codes is in the Excel >>> spreadsheet (read ASCII text). >>> >>> This is a functionality that exists in the PC version of concordance >>> where I can 'cut-and-paste' the raw hex codes from the spreadsheet when >>> prompted by concordance which then kindly uploads them to my LogiTech >>> list of available commands. (I've done this on a PC with a handful of >>> the approximately 50 codes I want to add for my AV receiver.) >>> >>> Sorry if I was not clear. Thanks, for you prompt responses, >>> JJRussell >>> >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Scott Talbert >>> <s...@techie.net<mailto:s...@techie.net>> wrote: >>> >>> The way the IR learning capability in concordance works is this: At the >>> Logitech website, you tell it that you want to Learn an IR code and select >>> which command(s) you want to learn. You then download the XML file >>> (LearnIr.EZTut) and run concordance on it. Concordance then reads the >>> file so it can figure out which commands to learn (this part is remote >>> model agnostic). It then will communicate with your Harmony remote and >>> tell you to press keys on the remote from which you wish to learn (this >>> part is remote model specific). Concordance captures these values and >>> will then upload the information back to the Logitech website - again this >>> part is model-agnostic. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Russell, J.J. wrote: >>> >>> I've taken a quick look through the concordance code that I downloaded >>> for the MAC. I see no reference to any option that allows pronto hex >>> codes to be uploaded to the LogiTech database. For instance, I see no >>> query similar to the one that prompts me on a Windows machine asking >>> what I wish to do next, quit, enter hex code, etc. >>> >>> While you know the software better than I, loading pronto hex codes to >>> the LogiTech database would seem to be independent of which remote >>> controller one has. Admittedly, the database itself is associated with >>> a specific LogiTech device, but this would seem to be only an >>> organizational association, i.e. the LogiTech account itself is >>> associated with a particular remote. The identity of the actual physical >>> device (be it a 100 or 900) would seem to be relevant only when the >>> device is actually downloaded, not in committing hex codes to the >>> database. (This is speaking only about entering new hex codes, not any >>> of the other options like saving configurations, etc, which obviously >>> interact with the specific remote.) >>> >>> Of course, trying to outguess how a software system is constructed and >>> what it depends on is risky business, so I am willing to believe I could >>> be wrong on this point. But at this point, my impression is that the >>> software for the MAC does not contain an option to upload new Pronto hex >>> codes as does the prebuilt ddl and exe for Windows. >>> >>> JJRussell >>> >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Scott Talbert >>> <s...@techie.net<mailto:s...@techie.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, what I was saying is that support for the 900 was recently added to >>> Concordance, not the Logitech software. I'm sure support has been present >>> in the Logitech software for some time. >>> >>> As far as your website concerns go, Concordance doesn't replace the >>> Logitech website. You would still use the Logitech website to produce the >>> IR Learning or config update files and then use Concordance (plus possibly >>> Congruity) to write them to the remote. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Russell, J.J. wrote: >>> >>> Thank you for your quick response. I'm not sure I will be able to try >>> what you suggested. Things have picked back up on my day job, so time >>> has become limited. >>> >>> Please note that I have been able to successfully upload new Pronto Hex >>> Codes for my LogiTech 900 database and subsequently use them on 900. I >>> did the uploading on a PC at work, but did the reprogramming on my MAC >>> using the standard LogiTech support tool, so I guess I am a little >>> puzzled by your statement >>> >>> "Support for the 900 was added relatively recently and it is not in a >>> released version." >>> >>> since I did just do the standard download for the PC and it seemed to >>> work fine. >>> >>> >>> Somewhat off this problem, >>> 1. Yes the two database questions (removing commands and rearranging the >>> commands) where both questions relating to the LogiTech database. I >>> noticed when I had asked LogiTech to add a couple of commands (before I >>> discovered concordance), the new commands were added at the end, so >>> either they were just being expedient or even LogiTech has no interface >>> to do this kind of manipulation. >>> >>> 2. With about 50 commands to add, it is kind of a pain to add one >>> command at a time, but, okay, it is a one- time deal. I would love to >>> script this so that I could more easily check for errors. Doing this >>> one at-a-time by hand invites typos, like the command I misnamed. >>> >>> JJRussell >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Talbert [mailto:s...@techie.net<http://techie.net>] >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:42 PM >>> To: >>> concordance-devel@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:concordance-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> Subject: Re: [concordance-devel] Concordance on the MAC >>> >>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Russell, J.J. wrote: >>> >>> Let me amend one of my previous statements. The name of the new >>> command >>> **does** appear in the LearnIr.EZTut file. I just missed it. Sorry >>> about that misinformation. I've attached the downloaded file. So it >>> may be what you hinted at, that Safari is not correctly conveying the >>> right information. If this is just a browser issue, I'll try Firefox >>> or Chrome. >>> >>> I was able to parse your file just fine, so I don't think that is actually >>> the problem. >>> >>> It appears that concordance is trying to download or learn the command >>> from the remote. It (concordance) wants to attach to the remote. I >>> have done this on a PC at work (clearly no remote attached) and >>> running concordance asks what I want to do, and I select the option to >>> add a Pronto Hex code, which, after I cut-and-paste said code in, it >>> transfers it to the browser's LogiTech window and nicely adds the command. >>> >>> I am using a 900. >>> >>> This is likely the problem. Support for the 900 was added relatively >>> recently and it is not in a released version. So, for the time being, >>> you're going to have to checkout the zwave_work_branch from CVS in order to >>> get the version that supports the 900. Additionally, it hasn't been tested >>> on a Mac, to my knowledge, so it will be interesting to see if it works. >>> >>> 1. Anyway to delete a command from the list once I add it (I missed >>> named a command)? >>> >>> Are you talking about on the Logitech website? If so, I'm not sure. >>> >>> 2. Anyway to rearrange the LogiTech's list of commands? >>> >>> Again, I'm assuming you mean on the website? If so, I'm not sure. I >>> haven't used the IR learn capability much. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Everyone hates slow websites. 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