> Is it the first request, or is it just too fast? It takes a while for the usb
> subsystem to settle and then udev to set the permissions...

It's the first request. Even If i fire them up directly it works on the second 
try..no matter how long i wait.

I came through something else when flipping patches for UDEV on your 
mailinglist that Adam Williamson mentioned:

I'll try follow up with a patch that drastically cleans up the udev
rules file - since you can use ranges for device IDs, we should be able
to make it, like, three lines long. Something like:

SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="046d", ATTR{idProduct}=="c1[1-4][0-9a-f]",  
ENV{ID_REMOTE_CONTROL}="1"

plus a line for the one device with the old vendor ID. This would
obviate the need for the 'neat trick' entirely. This is also a
suggestion from Kay, so credit to him.  

I tried that and it works for me.

SYSFS{idVendor}=="0400", SYSFS{idProduct}=="c359", MODE="0660", GROUP="dialout"
SYSFS{idVendor}=="046d", SYSFS{idProduct}=="c1[1-4][0-9a-f]", MODE="0660", 
GROUP="dialout"

Regards,

Sebastian

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