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Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Numeral Systems
From: Roger Mills
1b. Re: Numeral Systems
From: Alex Fink
1c. Re: Numeral Systems
From: Петр Рихардович
1d. Re: Numeral Systems
From: Peter Cyrus
2.1. Re: New Year's Thoughts
From: John Q
3. conlanging posts at GeoCurrents
From: Alex Fink
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1a. Re: Numeral Systems
Posted by: "Roger Mills" [email protected]
Date: Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:25 pm ((PST))
Koppa Dasao wrote:
[octal] (25143+14253)*(11*7)=?
Well, that would be 41416 * 77= ??? I never said I could multiply large
numbers acccurately. I'd have to cheat and use an online converter. :-(((((
Aha, magic calculator (Thanks Padraic) says 4100162. Is that right? I'll try
to do it the old fashioned way when I have time.
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1b. Re: Numeral Systems
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:40 pm ((PST))
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 03:15:59 +0000, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
>Sure, one might expect to see "23" and imagine a value of "21" but my
decision to neglect the "0" is based on the lack of the concept of
"nothing". I'm honestly not sure how well this whole idea will work out for
me but I'll find out.
But so here is how I'd count in base 9 with the digits 1 to 9, no zero:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39
41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49
51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59
61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69
71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79
81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89
91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99
111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119
121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 ...
You're skipping the 11 through 19 row, and you don't _have_ to do this based
solely on not having a zero. (Of course you might still independently
choose to.)
Alex
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1c. Re: Numeral Systems
Posted by: "Петр Рихардович" [email protected]
Date: Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:06 pm ((PST))
During the Evenwatch on the 15th of the Bleak Moon of the year 1562 (1562·2·15
◐), Even Eclectic Tolo Dybevik wrote:
> Hi. For some reason I have gotten very interested in conmath and numeral
> systems. So I'm basically wondering on how you handle it? Do you have your
> own numeral system, do you use something different than the decimal
> system? (I use 8, but it's hard, can someone explain it?).
Enamyn also uses base 8 (but 1-8, not 0-7, since there's no zero in
Enamyn). As for explaining octal, have you checked out Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octal)? There you'll learn how to convert
between octal and decimal (as well as hexidecimal and binary, just for kicks
and giggles). I've also got a little Python script that converts between
decimal and Enamyn octal, since computer calculators only do 0-7.
:Peter
1562·2·16 ◨
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1d. Re: Numeral Systems
Posted by: "Peter Cyrus" [email protected]
Date: Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:32 am ((PST))
Shwa: The script includes numerals and arithmetic signs, and they can
be used to write several numeric "languages", including straight bases
up to 16 and balanced bases up to 12.
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Alex Fink <[email protected]> wrote:
> triple-barreled reply:
>
> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:29:35 +0100, Even Eclectic Tolo Dybevik
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hi. For some reason I have gotten very interested in conmath and numeral
> systems. So I'm basically wondering on how you handle it? Do you have your
> own numeral system, do you use something different than the decimal system?
> (I use 8, but it's hard, can someone explain it?).
>
> Among my conlangs:
>
> Pjaukra: base 12, boring. AhH: base 10, boring. Kibyl@i~: base 10, with
> some subtractive formations (a bit like Latin or Hindi?).
>
> Kenakoliku (joint but IIRC this was my proposal) has basically a balanced
> decimal system: ... ten and three ten and four, ten and half-ten, two tens
> less four, two tens less three, ...
>
> Sabasasaj I haven't actually worked out numbers larger than 120 enough to
> fix the pattern, but the likeliest thing is base 120 with subbase 10. The
> distinctive thing is that the tens are formed as _fractions_: they are
> additive combinations of 60, 40, 30, 20 (and 10) whose names are based on
> 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, and 1/6 (10 is basic).
>
> UNLWS is somewhat like gzb, in that it has both multiplicative / exponential
> and base-type formations for numbers, and a high expressive power overall.
> We have intentionally not defined a single system of canonical expressions
> for any given number, though it can be imagined that often numbers will be
> written in the Griceanly-default base. Any base can be used (though it's
> awkward when some of the digits don't have multiplicative expressions, so
> bases > 16 are awkward right now), including an indeterminate (for easy
> polynomials and Laurent series) and 1 (to fill in for the
> otherwise-unprovided addition operator).
> http://saizai.com/nlws.shtml header "Measure glyphs and numbers"
>
> The gripping language has an ordinary base 60 system, in which each digit is
> one press or rub, with subbase 10 at the featural level. But we envisioned
> the following mindfuckly alternative:
> | If one wanted to pack a subtree with numbers absolutely as densely as
> | possible, one could use all sequences in a given subtree for numbers,
> | just assigning their values first by length and then lexicographically.
> | This would lead to a system in which the largest number we could name
> | in n beats would be exponential with asymptotic base the largest
> | eigenvalue of the zero-one transition matrix of beats, which (including
> | ten thumb deployments as before) is about 75.04773409, better than the
> | 60 of the above system. However, it seems quite unusable productively
> | in real time.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:26:36 -0500, Brian A. Woodward <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I've been toying with a base 9 system. And while I am wanting to develop a
>>unique writing system I am planning on still using the Arabic numerals. That
>>being said, my base 9 system will be set up slightly differently using the
> digit 9
>>instead of 0 (i.e. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 31 32 33 34
> 35 36
>>37 38 39 etc.).
>
> Even with that set of digits that's not just a simple base system; if it
> were one would still expect e.g. "23" to mean 2 nines and 3 = twenty-one
> rather than 3 in the 2nd ennead = twelve. I suppose addition would have all
> sorts of off-by-one corrections in this system.
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:04:43 +0100, Peter Cyrus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Shwa has a balanced dozenal system, with digits -6 to +6.
>>
>>http://www.shwa.org/numbers.htm
>
> Shwa is a writing system for extant languages, isn't it? Why does it have a
> unique number system of its own?
>
>
> Alex
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2.1. Re: New Year's Thoughts
Posted by: "John Q" [email protected]
Date: Sat Jan 7, 2012 9:08 pm ((PST))
MorphemeAddict wrote:
>
>For me, the conlang itself *is* the objet d'art. Masterpieces of conlanging
>for me include Rick Morneau's Latejami/Katanda, and Ithkuil.
================================================
Thanks for the compliment, Stevo. To be put in the same class as Rick
Morneau's work (some of which had an 11th-hour influence on Ithkuil in fact)
is high praise indeed!
Best wishes for the new year to all!
--John Q.
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3. conlanging posts at GeoCurrents
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:16 am ((PST))
Posted w/out comment 'cause my flight boards in three minutes.
http://geocurrents.info/imaginary-geography/speculative-fiction-and-language
http://geocurrents.info/imaginary-geography/how-to-create-an-exotic-language-navi-and-dothraki
more to come later in the week?
Alex
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