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1a. Re: The Grammar of Asirka
From: Sam Stutter
1b. Re: The Grammar of Asirka
From: Michael Everson
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1a. Re: The Grammar of Asirka
Posted by: "Sam Stutter" [email protected]
Date: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:58 am ((PST))
On 22 Jan 2012, at 12:17, Michael Everson wrote:
> On 22 Jan 2012, at 10:35, Sam Stutter wrote:
>
>>> In general I would find the look of the language more convincing if you got
>>> beyond ASCII. ch, dh, kh, nh, sh, th, zh could all be Ćć Đđ Ꝁꝁ/Ḱḱ Ńń Śś Ŧŧ
>>> Źź for instance.
>>
>> Now, I happen to rather like ASCII comparability (I think too many accents
>> are fiddly) *but* I would agree that stuff like:
>>
>> ch = č
>> sh = š
>> zh = ž
>>
>> I think a caron is more "Eastern-European-ish" than acute
>
> Polish uses ć ń ś ź.
Ah, I didn't mean it *really* is more Eastern European, it just "looks" like it
is to us ignorant westerners.
For me, when I see lots of č š and ž I automatically think "ah! Slavic!" just
as when I see lots of q I think "ah! Chinese or Arabic!" and oo uu and ää I
think "ah! Finno-Ugric :)
>
>> although I don't know what to suggest for d k n and t, although I'm sure you
>> can get carons for them.
>
> In Czech the caron is replaced by the apostrophe for d and t: Ďď Ǩǩ Ňň Ťť
When I type ⌥ v t the caron is automatically converted to ť so I'm guessing a
consistent ˇ doesn't exist at all :)
What about have dh kh nh and th replaced by ɗ ƙ ɲ and ƭ? Or borrowed from
Cyrillic (I *know* these are completely unlike their uses in Russian) Ԃ ӄ и and
ф? I can't remember when we were discussing accents, but I know I prefer
minimal accents, preferring digraphs or alternative characters. +hook looks (to
me) enough like a new letter but still easily interpretable.
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Sam Stutter
[email protected]
"No e na il cu barri"
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1b. Re: The Grammar of Asirka
Posted by: "Michael Everson" [email protected]
Date: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:23 am ((PST))
On 22 Jan 2012, at 12:58, Sam Stutter wrote:
>> Polish uses ć ń ś ź.
>
> Ah, I didn't mean it *really* is more Eastern European, it just "looks" like
> it is to us ignorant westerners.
No comment.
> For me, when I see lots of č š and ž I automatically think "ah! Slavic!"
Čč Đđ Ꝁꝁ/Ḱḱ Ňň Šš Ŧŧ Žž would work.
>> In Czech the caron is replaced by the apostrophe for d and t: Ďď Ǩǩ Ňň Ťť
>
> When I type ⌥ v t the caron is automatically converted to ť so I'm guessing a
> consistent ˇ doesn't exist at all :)
What it means is that fonts display the apostrophe because Czechs prefer that,
and nobody else prefers anything else so there happens to be no conflict.
> What about have dh kh nh and th replaced by ɗ ƙ ɲ and ƭ?
Ɗɗ Ƙƙ Ɲɲ Ƭƭ could work, though maybe the horizontal stroke would be more
"European".
> Or borrowed from Cyrillic (I *know* these are completely unlike their uses in
> Russian) Ԃ ӄ и and ф? I can't remember when we were discussing accents, but I
> know I prefer minimal accents, preferring digraphs or alternative characters.
> +hook looks (to me) enough like a new letter but still easily interpretable.
It is a bad idea to mix scripts unless you don't care how your alphabet sorts.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
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