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1a. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
1b. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
From: BPJ
1c. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
From: A. da Mek
2a. Re: How to choose the name of a conlang?
From: Mechthild Czapp
3a. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: R A Brown
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1a. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:55 am ((PST))
On 8 March 2013 09:54, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
> Google likely won't care, but people searching for words might run into
> issues.
>
Why would *anyone* ever search for Moten words *via Google*? Searching for
"Moten" or "Moten language", I'd understand, but anything else is just
weird. Especially since Moten morphology means that the shape of a noun in
the citation form may be very different from the shape of that word in the
genitive case plural! So a plain Google search (even one that could handle
the pipe correctly) would most likely not return the results you'd want.
But really, why would one want to search specific Moten words via Google?
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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1b. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
Posted by: "BPJ" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 2:10 am ((PST))
On 2013-03-08 09:11, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
> On 7 March 2013 17:49, BPJ<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Too much mouse-pointing and menu-mucking for my taste.
>> >
> Toolbox has lots of keyboard shortcuts :P .
It's actually more than a peeve in my case. The less I use
the mouse the less my shoulder hurts (yes it *always* hurts
but it's reducible) I guess I should get a scrollball in
front of the keyboard instead -- or a laptop, but my hands
are too big! :-)
>
>
>> >I'm basically a plain-text guy. Besides I can sort any
>> >which way me pleases (almost) from within perl:
>> >
>> >
> I'm more a GUI person myself. I like using the keyboard as much as
> possible, but love to be able to fall back on using the mouse if I forget
> commands.
I'm so vimmified that I try to use vim commands in other programs.
If you see any random letters littered around my emails you'll
know why!
>
> See, that's how rusty my programming skills are: I understand everything
> you write, but have no idea how I'd go around implementing it myself! I
> haven't done any serious programming for more than 10 years, and I wasn't
> that great to begin with...
And I'm no real programmer! (No formal training etc.)
>> >Sorry to say but there was a bug which would cause it
>> >not to compile right on line 11! Also It's quite
> See, I would never have found that bug. Perl is not really my forte.
I'ld not have spotted it without syntax highlighting
either as it was a forward slash instead of a backslash
in the middle of a regular expression! I realized later
that actually it would compile but if they intended
what they say in the associated comment it wouldn't do
what they intended, which is worse of course!
>
>> >Anyway you might probably write something in Ruby
>> >to get your database into a datastructure. The
>> >parsing code in Text::Shoebox isn't exactly
>> >complicated, though it too shows its age.
>> >
>> >
> The parsing isn't what I fear most. It's the next
> step, converting the data into a useful XeLaTeX
> file. I'm currently looking at bilingual
> dictionaries typeset in LaTeX to see how I could
> create a template. My LaTeX programming skills
> are*very* rusty, so I'd rather not have to create my
> own styles :P .
That's only stage 3 I'm afraid. Going through the data,
grouping and ordering it correctly and wrapping it in
LaTeX commands correctly is what I fear most -- more
exactly how to do it without getting lost in a maze of
conditionals; 'chunking it down' as someone called it.
Not only must you divide the whole lexicon into
entries, you must also divide the entry into the part-of-
speech/sense number/subentry hierarchy -- at least
unless everything in each output entry is always going
to come in exactly the order it stands in the database.
I'm thinking an object class for each (sub)entryish
type which can be accessed either as a plain array --
in the order they come in the database -- or as an
associative array -- by 'marker' (which I keep thinking
about as 'tag'), which then in turn would have arrays
as values since there may be several fields with the
same tag --, and at the bottom level a field object
class with a tag and a value property, and then for
each class a template or method which stringifies it in
a sensible way. All in the interest of the user only
needing to worry about the template bit.
See, already scratching that itch... :-/
And I have to <del>make money</del><ins>do serious work</ins>!
/bpj
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1c. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
Posted by: "A. da Mek" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:03 am ((PST))
> In the end, I decided to stick with the pipe.
Maybe you could use the broken one, 00A6 ¦ BROKEN BAR.
The palatal sounds are often described as "soft", so the yin bar would be
more appropriate than the yang one.
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2a. Re: How to choose the name of a conlang?
Posted by: "Mechthild Czapp" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 2:07 am ((PST))
Hi,
> I can't decide a name of the language I have been sketching for a long
> time. Those are some patterns of language name I have recognized:
>
> A. "language-spoken-by-people-X": English, Français, Português,
> tlhIngan Hol (?), etc.
Rejistanian falls into this category.
> B. "good language": Toki Pona, Nhengatu, etc.
> C. "universal/international/World language": Mundolinco,
> Universalglot, Interlingua, etc.
> D. some nice sounding word: Esperanto, any other?
Sibulu probably falls into this one.
> E. a name related to the features of the language: Lojban, Loglan...
> F. "language-of-person-X": Xorban, any other?
>
> I don't remember any example of the following:
>
> G. "this-language-I'm-speaking-right-now": this could be done with a
> specific pronoun.
>
Naeso and Kenshuite He Mo Gie fall into this category.
> Which one do you prefer? Does your conlang name fit one of these patterns?
>
It depends on the language, doesn't it :)
> Até mais!
>
> Leonardo
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3a. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "R A Brown" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 3:29 am ((PST))
On 08/03/2013 09:01, George Corley wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 2:45 AM, R A Brown wrote:
[snip]
>> But there's no way I'd interfere with Esperanto.
>
> Why not?
Mainly because I am disenchanted with auxlangs:
http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Briefscript/IAL.html
> Esperanto is effectively a living language. It was
> always intended to be a community project, and I don't
> think Zamenhof would mind people tinkering with it, as
> he didn't really mind when he was alive.
There's a whole world of difference IMHO between _tinkering_
as a member of a community project and doing what I
suggested, i.e. scrapping tenses.
On 07/03/2013 20:50, Adam Walker wrote:
> Post it somewhere very public on an Esperanto forum.
> Anonymously. Change your name. Go into hiding. Flee to a
> country with no extradition treaty for Esperantoland.
> And invest heavily in asbestos undies.
>
> Or simply Abandon all hope, ye who enter here...
My experience during the few brief years I spent on Auxlang
makes me feel very much as Adam above. I got rid of my
asbestos undies long ago ;)
--
Ray
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