On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Stefan van der Eijk wrote:

> :-( Something needs to be done about this. I've asked for control over 
> the alpha distro myself, but didn't get a response. Either it's too 
> complicated, requires too many priviledges or they want to remain in 
> control, which makes the process slow, in-efficient and definately not 
> scaleable.
> 

I had that control at one time, and it was taken away.  Only through
Olivier's lobbying efforts have I regained control to at least update/fix
the installer tree.  I just don't have the energy to fight these kind of
fights.  In my past positions I haven't needed to beg/plea for tools, in
this case ones that don't cost any $$, to do my job better/right.

> Yeah... but only you have access to your repository, and at the end of 
> the day, that one isn't exposed to the outside world. The paris one is. 
> If you are making the ISO's that go into the product, then in effect the 
> people on the cooker-ppc list are testing the wrong product, although 
> the differences aren't hat big.
> 

Yes, that is a problem.  It seems the bulk of the people don't really
participate until there are ISOs, possibly for the reasons you've
highlighted.

> I rebuild them to check if they still rebuild. Quite often something 
> changes in the distro which has impact on other parts. I see that quite 
> quickly. It's an automated process, so it doesn't matter. It does, 
> however, rely heavily on correct dependancies.
> 

Yes, I've seen this too, when my build lags the x86 one.  Of course when
this is brought to the maintainer's attention, I'm basically igonored or
told it's only a PPC issue, so I've given up in that area too.  Eventually
the issue gets raised on x86 and fixed.

Stew Benedict

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