> > I don't like mandrakeclub much. > > But you like their money, right? Maybe you don't like your mother, > but she gave birth to you, so you at least owe her a nod.
Well, I don't think that Mandrakeclub give birth to Guillaume, so, I don't realy see the point. If I wanted to start a flame wars, this would be exactly the type of argument i would use. Personal, without any link to the debat. > Same goes > for Mandrakeclub; these people paid money for a voice and votes so > that they can have some input in the direction(s) that the Mandrake > distro goes in; but more pointedly it is the most pristine source for > Mandrakesoft revenue presently in existence. This attitude towards > people who gratuitously give money in return for a promise to be > recognized with their votes is exactly the problem that will be the > downfall of the Mandrake distro if it happens. First, the problem is that some people are totaly disconnected from the reality. To give a example : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m=105275177502616&w=2 People need to know what can be achieved and what cannot be. Secund, IIRC, people votes are taken in account, for the cd 3, to give a example. They can also vote for RPMS. So, because a mandrake developper don't want to do exactly what _you_ want, without any good argument, you say that they are not listening ? > The voters for Rpmdrake 1.4 were clearly and precisely stating their > preference for the UI cosmetics. Yet the polls for both 9.0 and 9.1 > were closed, even in the face of totally overwhelming and widespread > public opinion FOR the old cosmetics/functionality. If asked, people would all like to have tax cut. So, public opion is not always good. People who were asked are not the same that the one who discover a huge and complicated program for the first time. I don't use rpmdrake, but I feel it is clearer. Now, if you want someting more feature full, I will package synaptics once apt-get will compile on cooker. Then, just vote for someone to backport it in 9.1. > > Proposed implementations always sucked because they were based on > > reverting to old rpmdrake with the clumsy complicated interface > > with all features under the eyes, ending up with something too > > complicated for beginners. > > The truth is that you have absolutely no idea WHAT beginners want > simply because you have absolutely no discourse with them("it's > marketing's job"), and what's more, you WANT NONE. His job is not to talk with customer, it is to code. So, this is useless to start a troll about his personal opinion. And, if you think that a begginner want to have a full featured interface, then I think you have a problem. > If you have no > discourse with the beginner, then whence do you get your information? > ESP? God? A god complex? For your information, mandrakesoft has a ergonomic team. They are the people who decide the features to remove and to add. You should ask to them why they did change. And give them good argument, not a "it was better before", as we always hear when anything change. > The purpose of the voting forums is to get a quantifiable idea of > what the paying members want, which is exactly what the Mandrake > distro needs more than anything else right now. As stated before, the voters are listened. You should understand that even if you pay, this doesn't give you all right on the design of rpmdrake. Of course, I was happy too with the old rpmdrake. But, I know that it is too complex for beginners. So, as I said before, if you want something more feature full, ask for synaptics. Or give good reason. -- Micka�l Scherer
