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Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> Noted. But the topic is not really business strategy from my viewpoint;
> it's the impact that the Club has or does not have on development.
>
I don't think it encompasses all aspects of club effects on development,
merely the one you want to discuss (feedback on "test" rpms to some
packages makes a big difference to some things also BTW).
>>
>>Are MandrakeClub members the only people who pay (commercially)?
>
> Who knows whether commercial or non-member contributors have impact when
> the real source of the decisions ("ergonomics team") have no
> explanations or discussions forthcoming on the forums or the polls?
>
Those people who bring up their concerns know ... but yes, some aspects
of development could be more open, then again they could also be more
closed (like other distros).
>>That's an unfounded statement, many users interact on this list and via
>>bugzilla.
>
>
> Not completely unfounded, Buchan. It is based on what GC has already
> stated, which is that he was unaware of the polls existence and
> therefore of any discussion surrounding the polls. As far as he knew,
> it was not the cosmetics of the interface that was the issue, it was
> reworking rpmdrake 1.4 from the backend on up, reforming existing old
> code, and that is not what was being asked for. The cosmetics were
> always the issue, nothing more; but none of this ever percolated over to
> the developers.
>
Read the cooker archives, and you will see this is not the case. Most of
the concerns about the UI were brought to cooker by club members.
And you seem to be misrepresenting the poll, since there seems not to
have been a real "poll". gc was informed of the large number of votes
for rpmdrake 1.4, and the fact that it was because the UI had changed
(not the rewrite).
> That's because in the surveys, nobody was ever asked about their
> rpmdrake preferences.
So they were not in a real "poll".
> You won't see the polls in the rpm package voting
> either because they were shut down, and that's where the UI voting took
> place. Probably because nobody had a survey to go to. Therefore they
> created one.
>
Well, the majority of the content of the issues from the voting on
rpmdrake were discussed.
>
> I agree, but I also think that developers should be aware of what the
> user's wishes are regarding the item that they are developing.
>
They are. Note a lot of features in Mandrakesoft tools have been
user-requested.
>
>>3)MandrakeClub's primary reason for existence is to give people who get
>>their distro via alternate means (downloading etc) an easy way to give
>>back, with the possibility of influencing the development, and for other
>>possible added benefits, and is advertised only as such.
>
>
> The way it is advertised verbatim is as "a place where your voice will
> be heard." In this case no one was asked, the users brought it up
> themselves of their own free will because of their concern, and they
> were not heard or recognized.
>
Sorry, but this is not true.
>
> We seem to be discussing a development problem, since it is a problem
> that concerns development.
Well, thus far has not covered anything that has not been discussed before.
A quick search on marc.theaimsgroup.com returned a lot of unfriendly
threads, however most concerns from MandrakeClub were brought up:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=102918213000002&r=1&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=102846330500001&r=1&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m=102922655407735&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=102931540000001&r=1&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=104253938600004&r=1&w=2
(I still didn't find the threads I was looking for, as I am sure Danny
mentioned the rpmdrake1.4 entry from Club voting at some stage).
In short, I don't think any issues Club members may have have gone
undiscussed ...
Buchan
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