On 17 Jun 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > gratuitously give money in return for a promise to be recognized with > > their votes is exactly the problem that will be the downfall of the > > Mandrake distro if it happens. > > MandrakeClub users are people who paid money on MandrakeClub to > become MandrakeClub members. They are far from being exactly our > users. I don't discuss the fact they need be recognized for the > money they gave. Our users are not limited to MandrakeClub > people, that's all. true enough, but next to the maillinglists it is the primary way of interactive communication with your (non-corporate) users.
> > > The voters for Rpmdrake 1.4 were clearly and precisely stating their > > preference for the UI cosmetics. Yet the polls for both 9.0 and 9.1 > > were closed, even in the face of totally overwhelming and widespread > > public opinion FOR the old cosmetics/functionality. > > I wasn't even aware of the results of the presence and results of > those polls. I was only aware that people wanted that we rebuild > 8.2 version on more recent releases. Well there are many things suggested that we (=the volunteers) sometimes silently refuse, because we know why such a thing isn't in the distro in the first place, but it does indicate that a lot of people liked some features of the old version. > > [snipped yelling/trolling] > > Yelling doesn't encourage me to discuss with points. Since I've > already stated multiple times the reasons that back rpmdrake's > decisions, I'm not going to repeat myself again just for you. agreed, rpmdrake did become much nicer, consistenter and easier. > > > The purpose of the voting forums is to get a quantifiable idea of what > > the paying members want, which is exactly what the Mandrake distro needs > > more than anything else right now. Yet in the case of rpmdrake this > > primary directive was soiled and corrupted when the Mandrakeclub > > member's voices were ignored, then silenced by gagging the rpmdrake > > polls; both 9.0 and 9.1. This gives the distinct impression that the > > MandrakeClub is a valuable input for development, and I think > that when taking development decisions, we probably use far too > less that very input. I do not agree with Lyvim's idea that the votes were ignored. I know that many people in the company have a different opinion on what exactly the club should (or should not) be. That's fine. It was perhaps a mistake to promise that all votes would be honoured exactly (this would mean a democratically runned company, quite a novellety, but perhaps not viable?). BUT, I do think input from club members should be used a bit more. So I am happy to see you (gc) agree, even although you stated you didn't like club. > [snip] > > Aleluya! At last an evidence that the world conspiracy was for > real! > ROFL!! d.
