On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 16:50, w9ya wrote: > > > I *AM* saying that a user watching me install could easily think it was > > > too hard. And I will maintain that having to hit all these damn buttons, > > > in the right order, to use the rpmdrake tool to find, get, and then > > > install a program is MUCH harder than finding, getting, and installing a > > > program in the windows world. I use both, and I have been using computers > > > for 35 years. You will have to *exactly* explain to me how in a step by > > > step fashion the current rpmdrake tools are actually easier. > > > > You have to "hit loads of damn buttons in the right order" to get and > > install software in Windows. You have to open IE, find the website for > > the program, download the installer to somewhere, know how to find and > > run it, find it and run it, agree to some ludicrous clickwrap license, > > then install it somewhere. That's *oodles* of buttons to hit. > > Which proves my point. Why be just as lame as Windows can be ? Why not improve > and make a nice gui app, that handles ALL of what needs to be handled.
No. I'm merely echoing the other person who made the important point that Windows is terrible in this very area and holding it up as an example is one thing we should *not* be doing. > > Well...for all programs that conform to the Add / Remove Programs > > thingy, yes there is. Sadly, this is by no means *all* programs. > > Well you can have bad rpms too. Not Mandrake ones. This is a crucially misunderstood point. People assume you ought to be able to install any rpm on any rpm-based distribution, which is quite simply wrong and not at all what the rpm format is designed for. > > > > > Finally; and I cannot be any more specific that this. Why not make a > > > better tool than Windows has, so new users can clearly see a superiority > > > right off the bat. Make it gui and play in their world -view. > > > > I think rpmdrake already is that tool. Why? It's predictable. You only > > need to teach someone how rpmdrake and rpmdrake-remove work *once* and > > they can install and remove every single piece of software in Mandrake. > > They point is *NOT* to have to teach a newbie. But rather to have it be > intuitive yet more functional than what they are use to. That is the goal. > Are not we Linux users capable of striving for that ? I simply don't believe this is possible within the current context of how Linux, OS'es in more general terms and computers themselves work. *Anyone* sitting down in front of an unfamiliar computer is either going to have to receive instruction (through interaction or through documentation) or go through a painful process of trial and error. This isn't a good situation, but equally it isn't a situation that can be resolved by patching rpmdrake. -- adamw
