On Friday 20 June 2003 12:22 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 16:50, w9ya wrote: > > > > I *AM* saying that a user watching me install could easily think it > > > > was too hard. And I will maintain that having to hit all these damn > > > > buttons, in the right order, to use the rpmdrake tool to find, get, > > > > and then install a program is MUCH harder than finding, getting, and > > > > installing a program in the windows world. I use both, and I have > > > > been using computers for 35 years. You will have to *exactly* explain > > > > to me how in a step by step fashion the current rpmdrake tools are > > > > actually easier. > > > > > > You have to "hit loads of damn buttons in the right order" to get and > > > install software in Windows. You have to open IE, find the website for > > > the program, download the installer to somewhere, know how to find and > > > run it, find it and run it, agree to some ludicrous clickwrap license, > > > then install it somewhere. That's *oodles* of buttons to hit. > > > > Which proves my point. Why be just as lame as Windows can be ? Why not > > improve and make a nice gui app, that handles ALL of what needs to be > > handled. > > No. I'm merely echoing the other person who made the important point > that Windows is terrible in this very area and holding it up as an > example is one thing we should *not* be doing. > > > > Well...for all programs that conform to the Add / Remove Programs > > > thingy, yes there is. Sadly, this is by no means *all* programs. > > > > Well you can have bad rpms too. > > Not Mandrake ones. This is a crucially misunderstood point. People > assume you ought to be able to install any rpm on any rpm-based > distribution, which is quite simply wrong and not at all what the rpm > format is designed for.
Now that is very funny. There aren't any bad Mandrake rpms. and just not possible to create one eh ? > > > > > Finally; and I cannot be any more specific that this. Why not make a > > > > better tool than Windows has, so new users can clearly see a > > > > superiority right off the bat. Make it gui and play in their world > > > > -view. > > > > > > I think rpmdrake already is that tool. Why? It's predictable. You only > > > need to teach someone how rpmdrake and rpmdrake-remove work *once* and > > > they can install and remove every single piece of software in Mandrake. > > > > They point is *NOT* to have to teach a newbie. But rather to have it be > > intuitive yet more functional than what they are use to. That is the > > goal. Are not we Linux users capable of striving for that ? > > I simply don't believe this is possible within the current context of > how Linux, OS'es in more general terms and computers themselves work. > *Anyone* sitting down in front of an unfamiliar computer is either going > to have to receive instruction (through interaction or through > documentation) or go through a painful process of trial and error. This > isn't a good situation, but equally it isn't a situation that can be > resolved by patching rpmdrake. We should respectfully disagree on this. Bob
