On Friday 29 August 2003 10:25 am, Buchan Milne wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Keller wrote: > > Copy of the reply I got from Bob, since it didn't go to the list: > > > > On Friday 29 August 2003 08:45 am, John Keller wrote: > >>w9ya wrote: > >> > >>I think that the Wiki serves an important role in presenting information > >>that might normally be drowned out on the list. I've just spent an entire > >>night making it so that it's easier to find the information without > >>resorting to a search, expressly so people can quickly get to key info > > > > from > > > >>the front page. > > > > When they are and remain organized. > > They are a lot more organised. The release schedule is linked from the > main page. Show us any page which *really* needs to be linked in from > the main page, and we can oblige you. > > >>I think it's unreasonable to expect the level of redundancy on the > >> mailing list that you're asking for. What happens when someone > >> subscribes after > > > > the > > > >>crucial announcement? What about me, missing half a day's messages due to > >>some unexplained problem? What makes you sure that some key announcement > >>will be seen by everyone? > > > > Well nothing is perfect , even wikis. (see my comment above) > > But wikis are better than extra spam on the list for information anyone > can easily lookup if they take any effort. > > >>The sheer fact that you missed the information about OO.o being included > > > > in > > > >>RC2 says to me that you, like anyone else, can easily miss the one > >>announcement that matters to them. Then we're back to square one with the > >>complaints... > > > > Actually I saw the request, and a saw a message from Warly. The > > english was > > > poor enough I wasn't sure if it was rc1 or rc2 of OO. > > Well, maybe you would prefer to have Warly post in French, or are you > offering to proof-read everyone's email? > > >>If you don't like the Wiki, fine. But it was implemented as a solution to > >>precisely the problem that you bring up. It's unreasonable to dismiss > >> that solution and still complain that information isn't being conveyed > >> (when it is) just because it's not in the format you want. > > > > Again, until you reorganized the wiki, the information was *effectively* > > lost > > to me. > > Bob, you are free to ask for write access to the Wiki, and CHANGE IT > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > All I have seen coming from this address is complaints, and all the > people you are complaining about, and who's work you are deriding, > contribute *directly* to the distro ... > > Buchan
Sigh...... Your last paragraph above is obviously designed to be insulting towards me. And this is not the first time you have done so with me (and others I might add). I am replying in the hope that others will learn by this. I am not so foolish to think you will, as people like you often continue to act this way despite constructive feedback. You state I am complaining and deriding others work and you have chosen to complain about me doing this and are posting my private emails to you in public. Besides being ironic, let's consider each of these in turn, but in no particular order. First - It is considered polite to ask whether a privately sent email can be shared with a list before posting it or any reply to such a private email on a list, which you did not do with the above. The reason why you are suppose to ask first is that language is a sensitive thing, and you might not understand or know what an author is trying to convey to you. It is often arrogant to think otherwise. I *know* you have misinterpreted me, and sharing this misinterpretation in a public forum should be something that you ask to do with private emails. Even if you say otherwise, no-one, you included, would like to have your private emails handled without due courtesy. Second - My emails on the subject of the wiki were to make a suggestion that emails be sent as well as wiki contributions. I was *not* complaining but taking my time to explain in later emails why I felt as I did as a response to *your* follow-up emails. Additionally I have sent emails to cooker concerning problems as they have become apparent to me in several packages and such, and these emails have led to specific fixes and other improvements. This is as it should be for testers; i.e. they should give feedback. Other than these emails, I have not sent any other emails to this list, except to explain in detail when asked to. The fact that you see such feedback as complaints is entirely your consideration. Third - All in all, you seem annoyed with me and my emails and have chosen to make this rather public for reasons that should probably best remain to yourself. Your opinions concerning me, and they are no more than that, are written in an insulting manner, and serve no useful purpose in parading before the rest of these list members. I should also point out that you do this to others and that this is not the first time you have lashed out at me. Fourth - I have *not* publically or privately "derided" anyones work. Because I choose to state that I would like to see email announcements a week or two prior to a freeze, and this in addition to the wiki announcements, is hardly derisive, nor would any other suggest designed to enhance availability of information. Further it is not deriding the work that has been done, nor is sending an email with a 'bug report deriding someones' work. That you see this as such is (again) quite disturbing. At this point I will seriously consider *NOT* contributing to this list anymore. That should make you very happy, but that is not why I am making this choice. I just think that I don't want to needlessly be further exposed to being insulted this way, or engage further discussion to just allow you to continue to insult me. SO....... Please do not bother to reply to me about this, as it will go un-answered, as will any further email about this to this list. Bob Finch > > - -- > > |--------------Another happy Mandrake Club member--------------| > > Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager > Cellphone * Work +27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 > Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za > GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc > 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/T3BOrJK6UGDSBKcRAku6AJ44NCrinz78lZARxyZm/22liAQywwCfTpXR > nl/6YemwkY/SQUVcLTlt/1E= > =cy03 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ***************************************************************** > Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our > e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. > *****************************************************************
