-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon Oosthoek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 09:10:51AM +0100, Emmanuel wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>Quick question for all of you guys: will Mandrakesoft release 9.2 even >>if it is not ready??? i.e. is Mandrakesoft desperate to get a version >>out before the end of Septembre or is there any chance for a RC3 ?? i.e. >>does management or development rule Mandrakesoft??? > > > Based on past experience, 9.2 will be released on schedule on 20th of > September even when it doesn't install for some people who have reported > serious issues for their particular hardware.
Well, it we wait until everyone's hardware is supported, the whole distribution is likely to be 3 months behind everyone else's. Some hardware issues can be fixed post-release (as Thomas proved). If you really want to have your hardware supported, and no-one has managed to yet, jump in, test patches, report the results, maybe Thomas will be able to merge a patch you report as working, and then push it upstream. > I suppose this is a company's > way of making compromises :-( Not only the company. Or do you want to keep the distro in freeze until KDE3.2 is out so we can install ancient software on the hardware that is current now, in 3 month's time? > > >>I'm wondering because the end of the month is only 2+ weeks away and >>only 3 of the bugs I reported have been fixed (some major showstoppers >>have not and no-one seems to be wanting more info). Wow, 3 bugs in about 4000 in this release cycle! Maybe: 1)Your bug report didn't indicate the seriousness 2)Wasn't easy enough to reproduce (hardware problems are always difficult) 3)Duplicates. Some bug reports get missed, and since you haven't provided your bug numbers, it's impossible for anyone to review them. > Furthermore, >>everybody knows that OpenOffice 1.1 is only 2-3 weeks away, it would be >>a real shame to ship 9.2 with 1.1RCx and then get users to download >>100Mb+ of software to get the final version (I can't see any major >>corporation willing to do that - out of the box is very important) > > > openoffice 1.1 will be in 9.2, whether it's rc3/rc4 or final depends on how > soon they are released. BTW, apparently RC4 will be identical to final unless a major bug is found in the next few days. 1.1 final should be out next week. Gwenole would not have had time to build RC4 for the 9.2RC2 ISO, which is why it had RC3 with about 6 patches from IZ. I don't think Mandrake is planning on releasing an update for OpenOffice.org. > > Probably there will be lots of "security" updates and bugfixes announced in > the first 2-3 months after the release of 9.2. Which is probably better than > not providing them at all ;-) Well, some bugs aren't found until the software is deployed, so if we wait for all bugs to be fixed, we will still find new ones. > Anyway, I share your concerns, but they are/will be ignored completely by > the Mandrake development process. Wow, thanks for the confidence in those people who maintain software in the distro but aren't employed by Mandrakesoft. This *is* the development process, and many people (including those at Mandrakesoft) share some of your concerns. > Despite this, positive reviews of mandrake > keep coming and customers seem to be satisfied (in general, AFAIK). If you > cannot stand this way of working, use Red Hat, Suse, or even Debian. They > have slightly less bleeding edge releases ;-) Right. RH9 with a broken glibc (couldn't handle large numbers of groups, was only fixed about 2 months after their release), RH8 was changing between cvs snapshots of glibc2.3 and patched glibc2.2 throughout their beta series, samba-3 only in RH's current beta (Mandrake 9.2 will default to 2.2.x but have 3 available). Of course, Debian users can choose between samba-2.2.3a (ancient, missing many features and bugfixes) and samba-3.0.0beta at present (a few Debian users on our LUG had problems due to Debian including samba3 way too early). > PS, if I sound cynical, I am! And some of your statements seem unfounded ... > But Mandrake still rules the desktop for me. > I've learnt to live with all the cuts and bruises Mandrake's products cause > me, but look at all my cool scars! I get fewer scars on Mandrake that the other distros I have run in production ... and I get features most other distros don't even know about. Regards, Buchan - -- |--------------Another happy Mandrake Club member--------------| Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work +27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/YFs3rJK6UGDSBKcRAva9AKCcWG3nG6WZ+PcfBF66HaY6xhKciACdFUzz IFSN4hKey/az/yUMOW2Mb7s= =Naq/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ***************************************************************** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *****************************************************************
