I just hope that others don't find this little discussion of ours boring. if you do, please yell :)
--- illogic-al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That's a typical windows user. mdklinux is not > > > windows and users installing > > > linux know that (at least most of them do). > > > > It's the argument of "never change anything, make > > people learn our ways instead". > Not never change anything, never change anything > that doesn't need to be > changed. It's the argument of "if it ain't broke, > don't fix it" I just don't think that applies to interfaces. I.e. where I work it's a rule to change the webpage design every ~18 months. It doesn't matter that the old one was perfectly fine. "Change is good", says marketing people. > No. and i'm serious here. Ok, you have a right to an opinion. > > So > > basically, why don't we just scrap the group > selection > > screen and just install the whole 3 CDs? > ok that's sarcasm, i'm guessing It is... English is not my native lang :( > > This goes to prove that the present way is > > meaningless. Not to you because you're used to > either > > install everything or go directly to detailed > package > > selection. You're not a newbie. > but i used to be a newbie, and newbillogic-al loved > those menus because it > meant he didn't have to spend time sifting through > packages that he had no > clue what they did. And imagine if the packages were presented in a familiar way? In such a way that you could have easily had a clue? (eh this is about as far as my knowledge of english goes ;) > > No. I'll use all of these, but not all office > packages > > (just one), not all games (just a few), not all > net > > apps (just one browser, one e-mail client)... > > blahblah. You get my point. > but did you know which one you wanted to use when > you started w/ linux. I > didn't so two choices were great. I tried koffice > and it had a nice > interface, but office compatibility sucked. So then > i went to oo.o but it was > slow as hell and ugly but it had great office > compatibility. eventually i > chose function over form. but if the two weren't > installed i would think "oh, > there's only one word processor and it doesn't work > with word. this sucks > i'll have to boot into windows to use word now." > I had konq and mozilla, etc. having more than one > choice allowed me to know > what i wanted. once i got comfortable and > reinstalled then i knew what i > wanted and could pick and choose as i please. Agreed! So why don't we present them to users as what they are? Why dont we offer two checkboxes that say OpenOffice.org and KOffice, rather then just "Office tools" and then, upon clicking on details, hundreds of packages with cryptic names which are rather unusable by themselves? > if you select gnome package then eog comes w/ it. as > for the others there > isn't one thing in that list that i would typically > use. And that's probably > why they're not shown. the typical user goes > looking for chromium the game > not the setup utility, and etc You're right about eog, but I still disagree. > That's just personal preference. i don't think > fonts should be installed by fontdrake. the rpm > installation works just fine, galaxy should not be > installed by a theme manager, but maybe a theme > group could be created w/ gnome, flux and kde > themes. as for ami and chinput, why should they be > installed by keyboarddrake, is there even such a > thing? the same goes w/ fonts. These are all rpms, > rpmdrakes so purpose in life is to install those > things and it should remain it and only it's > purpose. Which reiterates my point. Linux is notorious for showing the system inside details in your face. Would you fly an airplane that has wires hanging all over the place, engines wide open, no compartment between pilots room and the rest etc? Well you might find it cool if you were an airplane mechanic. Most people are afraid of computers just as they are afraid of flying. That's why they need to feel perfectly safe and using a well rounded product. So Mandrake was the first that successfully hidden some details while maintaining functionality. Why not push it further? "Package" means nothing to a person that doesn't want to learn how their computer works, but "program" is fine. Note that I'm not requesting that RpmDrake should be killed. It should remain as an admins' tool. Also you still have urpmi and plain old rpm if you like. > Making a separate, keyboard and theme app only > introduces more bug reports unduly. They already exist. Keyboarddrake is used for selecting international keyboard layouts, you probably don't use it if you're from US or UK. Theme manager is a part of Mandrake first time wizard. > No but even those popups at install time when I > initially install linux gives a bad impression and > i don't want to deal with them that soon. there > are enough pop-ups in the install system (liek the > ones for dependencies). And lets not forget that > they introduce potential bugs because if your > popup window suddenly dies you can't go back to > package installation. I wouldn't pop them at install time, in fact I wouldn't install programs with system at all :) I think autoinstall solves the need for installing a certain set of packages in the shortest possible time. Others are out to experiment, so let them do just that. > btw i saw your screenie of the install app, words > did not do it justice. > however i'm still curios, what exactly will hold > the screen shots Well, perhaps we should make an enumerated list of ideas for Rpmdrake and see which of them seem acceptable? I'd continue work on this app if there is interest. Qt designer sucks and also, it would be better to do it in gtk since that is what drakconf is in. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
