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FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
> Le lun 17/11/2003 � 13:52, Buchan Milne a �crit :
>
>>FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
>
>>>Under KDE you can select the device icons you want to show ( see
>>>Look&feel -> Comportment -> device icons ). At this time we show
>>>CDROm/NFS/SMB/Floppy/Zip icons. We should add FAT32/NTFS drives.
>>
>>What is special about FAT32/NTFS? What if I want to see other
>>filesystems (where is my Redhat drive? Where is my SuSE drive etc etc???).
>>
>>That is what "Hard Disk" is for.
>
>
> Seeing others linux partitions is what i can call : advanced stuff -> so
> this should not be enable by default ( and hard disk will show them ).
So, we should make it easier to use Windows, and less easy to use Linux?
> A normal user ( desktop environment ) should not see others linux
> partitions except his home directory.
So, if they have a backup partition or something (easy enough to do with
diskdrake), they shouldn't be able to access it as easily as a Windows
partition?
> So see / and /home on his desktop
> is useless for him. Most of the times this kind of users put files in
> their home directory and open/save some files in their windows
> partitions in order to share them with windows. So they need to know
> directly and easily where is their home directory ( the home icon ), and
> where is/are their windows partition(s).
>
>
> Showing FAT32/NTFS drives is what I called basic stuff for newbies. For
> example, the user need to install the firmware for his modem to make the
> connection work under linux, so he dl the firmware under windows and
> then his first question is : Can i have an access to my windows drives ?
> If yes, where can i access them ?
> At least 5 times a week on a forum where you have many newbies we have
> this kind of question. Mandrake control center ? they don't know or
> don't know where to go ( MountPoint is chinese for them )
But they shouldn't need to even see diskdrake now (I assume that's what
you mean), they can either look in /mnt/windows, or /mnt/win_{c,d} etc,
or browse in devices (but it would be better if you didn't have to know
all 6 buttons in Konqueror to be able to browse devices).
>>>This
>>>way you can easily disable the icons. Gnome have this feature but only
>>>for removable devices ( CDROM/Floppy )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of
>>>>>course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for
>>>>>security level < high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for
windows
>>>>>FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security
>>>>>level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0.
>>
>>This is already the case AFAIK (last time I looked at the code). What
>>security level did you install with?
>
>
> since which version ? I don't know for me as I don't install 9.2 on HD
> where there was some FAT32 partitions, but on forum I have many times
> users saying that they can't write on their windows partitions ( 9.1,
> maybe 9.2 but will have to check ) at least if they was able to find
> where was their windows partitions.
Look in CVS, file libDrakX/fs.pm (line 468 in cooker)
if (isFat($part) || member('vfat', split(':', $part->{type})) ||
isThisFs('auto', $part)) {
put_in_hash($options, {
user => 1, noexec => 0,
}) if $opts{is_removable};
put_in_hash($options, {
'umask=0' => $opts{security} < 3,
'iocharset=' => $opts{iocharset}, 'codepage=' => $opts{codepage},
});
}
So, users who want this by default should install in the less secure
option. Of course, a better description should be given for umask=0 in
the diskdrake options.
>
>
>>>>I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such
>>
>>as, users
>>
>>>>could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition?
>>>
>>>
>>>So ? under windows they can do it too. On top of that now most of the
>>>time under kde/gnome when you delete a file, by default the file is put
>>>in the trash, unless you specify directly delete and you have a
>>>confirmation box. So the risk is minimal.
>>
>>But, OS's that default to fat32 are usually not multi-user, so it does
>>increase the risk IMHO.
>
>
> I'm talking for home/desktop usage. in multiuser/workstation usage, the
> sysadmin have the responsibility to enable/disable this feature. Now for
> desktop/home usage when several people have access to the computer the
> problem is Linux/unix rights limitations ( need ACL and easy way to
> managed ACL ) or need away to specify that this group and only this
> group of users can access theses drives.
The problem is that as soon as the user has a daemon running (ftp,
apache), they *are* multi-user. Whether it is real users or not is
irrelevant.
>>Anyway, I don't think this problem should be solved in diskdrake or
>>anything else. The problem is (IMHO) due to shortcomings of the KDE
>>navigation tree (and the fact that GNOME doesn't really have one at all
>>yet). I have posted on this before. IMHO, the different buttons on the
>>splitter bar in Konqueror are the problem, they should be removed, all
>>entries reorganized and merged into one tree view.
>>
>>Why do I access NFS/Fish/smb files in Services->LAN Browser, but http in
>>Network, and FTP in both? Why do I access the CD-ROM in Services->Audio
>>CD Browser and in "Root Directory" and "Services->Devices"?
>>
>>Home
>
> Media (devices:/ + audiocd:/ + supermount'ed devices)
>
>>This Computer
>>- -Entire filesystem (/)
>
> - -Windows Drives ( FAT32/NTFS drives )
> - -printers
>
>>Network
>>- -SMB/Windows (smb:/)
>>- -Unix (fish/nfs hosts from lisa or similar)
>>- -Web (ftp/http hosts from lisa or similar?)
>>- -Directory (ldap:/ ;-))
>
> - -Bookmarks
> - -History ( Web history, for local history use panel "recent
> documents" entry )
>
> I'd rather add under Windows drives ( on MAC it could be mac filesystem
> ). I would have moved Media directly under Home.
I don't agree totally. Home isn't necessarily anywhere near removable
devices. Remember, we must consider not just single user machines, but
business network machines (that is really IMHO where Mandrakesoft should
be aiming, there isn't money in home machines), where it is common to
have $HOME on the network (but you still want $HOME to be the most
visible location), which doesn't associate very well with the local
CD-ROM/Floppy drive.
> This way the user have a distinction :
> - what i access the most and can go whenever I want -> Home and Media
> - stuff i rarely need to access directly, should be avoid ( / ) or use
> with care ( FAT32, printers ).
> - network stuffs
IMHO, these days (large disks, files too big for floppies etc), Media
are used about as much as printers. We are no longer buying floppy
drives, users hardly ever use CDs (mostly Admins use them to install
licensed software), but network files are used a lot more (though we
have NFS for that mostly for Linux users ...).
Regards,
Buchan
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