On 26 ?????? 2000 20:59, Geoffrey Lee wrote:
| > -sh-utils 1296k, util-linux 2142k
| > Is it possible to select from them some utils which are always needed,
| > and place the rest in separate package? System installer doesn't allow
| > to take them off.
|
| See below on the XF split.
can you comment a little bit? I don't see in your mail something related to
this in XF section.
| > 6) libraries
| > -libtiff 3716k
| > I have checked what progrums require it:
| > \rpm -q --requires libtiff
| > /sbin/ldconfig
| > ld-linux.so.2
| > libc.so.6
| > libm.so.6
| > libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0)
| > libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1)
|
| No, libtiff requires glibc not the other way around.
oops, sorry. I was too sleepy and really used wrong command.
#rpm -q --whatrequires libtiff
imlib-1.9.8.1-6mdk
gdk-pixbuf-loaders-0.9.0-2mdk
libtiff-devel-3.5.5-2mdk
hylafax-4.1-0.3mdk
I am not now on my min. install, so no problem to take off hylafax and
libtiff-devel.
imlib is required by pygtk, so I guess if I take off pygtk, imlib can be also
deleted?
Anyway, TIFF is high-level image format, and IMHO it should not be in the
same library package with PNG and JPG. TIFF is ok for Adobe Photoshop or may
be Gimp, but if I use browser - there is no need for tiff. At least, I
haven't seen pages which use tiff graphics. :-)
I know that this is imlib (and gdk) question, but I don't know if there is
imlib mailing list around. I am not subscribed for it, so please forward my
mail to necessary mail list, please.
(Mandrake Cooker/XFree86/DRI/LIVID/KDE-all is enough for me at amoment)
>From End-User point of view: it's apity when I need to install libtiff-imlib-
gdk-pixbuf - pygtk just for possibility to make some changes to Linux
settings.
#rpm -q --whatrequires pygtk
draksync-7.2-20mdk
icepref-1.1-3mdk
drakprofile-4-14mdk
I am not fanatic of command line / console, I prefer GUI-based programs and
settings.
But, in this case (5+ extra programs to get draksync and drakprofile running)
I would prefer to switch to console.
By the way, in DrakProfile I have 2 options - Home and Office, and don't
understand what is the meaning for them.
LILO switches 2 partitions (2 Linux installs Standard/Minimal) pretty well
for me. Why should I need DrakProfile?
|
| > Glibc uses libtiff? I thought that glibc is low-level library.
| >
| > -tcl 5071k
| > -tk 3598k
| > both packages are pretty big.
ok,
#rpm -q --whatrequires tcl
none of packages requires tcl
#rpm -q --whatrequires tk
none of packages requires tk
And this is not in minimal install. So I guess nothing will be broken if I
delete them in both setups, minimal and standard?
Then why Expert-minimal suggested to install them?
|
| > 7) Xfree86
| > XFree86 - 16127k
| > I can't belive all files from this package are needed. Is it possible
| > to split it in several packages?
| > I highly appreciate that xterm was splitted and placed in separate
| > package, so it would be nice to do the same wit others.
|
| xterm is already in a separate package, as of 7.2.
yes, I know. And there is aterm; aterm doesn't have menu entry, for some
reason. Either aterm or xterm should be added as recommndation to
Expert-minimal-workstation setup (but, of course, not as requirement); Both
xterm and aterm are much-much smaller then tcl or tk which are present by
default.
same kind of after-install cleanup script can be useful (see below)
|
| And no, probably not, consider this:
|
| Kernel has lots of modules, you're dfinitely not goin to use all of them,
| you cannot split all the modules one by one. Applying this rule, you cannot
| do this to the packages. On a certain level they must be split (e.g. main
| and -devel) but when it comes to individual programs, it's not always a
| good idea.
In kernel case, I suggest that after-install script (KDE/Gnome-based
program?) can make clean-up. For all not-used modules.
(I have notebook, and there is no way how I can change my video card, sound
card or CD-ROM/DVD-ROM; hot-swappable USB devices can be supported, but it's
in USB module)
Still, this doesn't solve problem with workplace replication. If you have 50
identical computers, it'll be rather stupid to install on all of them "full"
kernel, then manually or with script delete unnecessary modules.
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