Gr�goire Colbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > minimal install might come alive :-)
>
> Hopefully. What I do not understand is why you do not like the idea. I guess
but we didn't see we don't like it :-)
we just said that you can achieve this by deselecting a major component such as
XFre86-libs :-)
as someone has said, this is true this is not \mdk_jargon{aware} ie an end-user
won't see that he can do that, he will just complain about missing feature.
but you can do it at this moment.
> you must have some good technical reason. To my point of view, a basic way to
> debug a program is to cut a big problem into smaller problems. A small
> standard install would be a step in the good direction, wouldn't it?
ask pixel for technical reasons :-)
> (...)
> > installation "weight" depend of what packages groups you select, size you
> > select, fs size you made.
>
> What about "the Standard Install requires exactly *** MB"? This would make
> things more simple.
the point was not the weight of the minimal install, the point was that he
complains about mdk overweight : as you install mdk in 60-90Mb, i don't see us
as an overweith distro. we do offer a lot of choice (this is a free world); that
is different than being a fat/slow distro.
> > [traceroute] usefull for you. every package not in the minimal install may
> > not be usefull for everybody. yes, even traceroute.
> > for this case, one can prefer tracepath or none.
>
> But this is Mandrake's role to choose the most useful tools, no? Or those who
> have the best ratio 'features/size', in the particular "Minimal install" case.
the minimal install is an install where you've got everything to allow the
system to boot, having configured hardware, network, ...
traceroute isn't needed for that. basesystem only requires the very needed
packages for a small system.
main cooker hold most used tools. contribs hold less used one (or less
maintained like xfs, or buggier like mosix, ...).
not asked software can be freely downloaded on the net...
traceroute and tracepath are quite equivalent.
do we need such a tool in basesystem ? which one ?
and then if we accept this one, why not add procmail ? then apache?
not everybody need these tools.
as i said basesystem requires tools needed to boot the box in an usable state.
> It is a subjective choice that MandrakeSoft has to do for the
> communauty. Choose some apps, one for each category, call that "Standard
> install". People are worried? Then modify your choice, until MOST people
> understand your choice and feel that this piece of software is a good
the point is that there's no std config.
loog at mail-readers for example. each poeple is a fanatic of his prefered
mailler which can be pine, gnus, netscape, mutt, vm, mailx, ...
why should we force users to have only one ?
same for kde/gnome/windowmaker/icewm
why should we force such wm in basesystem and not this one ?
this is a user policy, not a core system issue.
lets everybody being able to have the smaller system base and install its
preferred apps on top of it.
the point is that the same distro is being used by new old-zindoz users who
just don't anything about linux, experienced user, developpers, servers
sysadmins.
to server all you people, we mustn't bloat the basesystemn by adding traceroute
because it's usefull on servers, then xosview because it's usefull for desktop
users, then ...
you see the point ?
after all, we're in a free world :-)
> compromise between features and size. And provide "after-install" alternatives
> (contribs, etc).
>
> > do you see the problem with _your_ classification between what you called
> > useful and unnecessary apps? this attitude is just plain insult for the work
> > we've done to answer communauty request for apps.
>
> Please don't take it bad, we are just trying to make LM *even* better!
i understand that. but i don't like "adding this feature is so easy that you
could do it in 5mn" :-(
it might be easy to implement "minimal install" [which may ended in forcing
deselecting XFree86-libs :-) ] but maybe not.
> We are not criticizing MandrakeSoft work, which is truly amazing for a so
> young company, but I think that the users can help Mdk to ship a better
> product.
of course, they can; if they don't, the distro woudln't suit their needs :-)
i especially like constructive reports from users that let me leverage up the
quality of our packages.
but saying "mdk is getting bigger and bigger" like isn't :-(
> Good night,
you too.
