SI Reasoning wrote: > --- Neuromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Thus spake SI Reasoning about Life, the Universe, >>and Everything: >>| I disagree, >>| first, this is a major problem as it completely >>| freezes the box and it has to be turned off >>manually. >> >>Then turn it off manually. >> > To do that would require re-compiling ther kernel, > something that most newbies should not be forced to > do. I have tried recompiling this kernel (and I have > done this many times before) but even that is broken > at this point. Regardless, this is still broken. I > would be surprised if this was only a Dell issue. I > don't think it is smart to release something that has > such drastic outstanding issues as part of the > standard kernel. I can't imagine that its benefits > outweigh having laptops freeze. Understand that this > has not been an issue in the past since this was not > enabled in the standard kernel. Now that it has been > enabled IT IS AN ISSUE. If this was just cooker it > would not be such a big deal, I expect things to get > tested here, break, get fixed, get broken again. We > are talking about a final release kernel for 8.2 > though, and I think that it should err on the side of > stability. > > >>| second, when you release a distribution it needs >>to be >>| able to run on as many boxes as possible without >>major >>| crashes, if you can turn off an item and it >>creates >>| more stable boxes, then you are less likely to >>lose >>| people, especially newbies >> >>Yell at Dell. Not Mandrake. >> > There is no yelling going on, Dell's reputation is > not at stake here but Mandrake's is. This is something > Mandrake has control over. > > >>| thirdly, this is a feature that more experienced >>users >>| will take advantage of and they are more than >>| qualified to rebuild their kernel. Mandrake is >>geared >>| towards user friendlyness and having your system >>crash >>| so easily is not user friendly. >> >>So far, it appears that there is only one person >>complaining about this. And to >>the wrong folks, it seems. >> > I am not the only person who has brought this up here, > but I am talking to the right people. This is > Mandrake's standard kernel and there is something that > can be done in the short run for the 8.2 release. > After 8.2 is out, it can be re-enabled and we can try > and figure it out if APIC is such a great thing. I > really have no idea what it does besides freeze my > laptop. > > > >>| Because the Fn key is right next to the Ctrl key, >>| there has been quite a few times that I am trying >>to >>| change desktops and end up freezing the system. >> >>Eh? >> > On the dell laptop the Fn key is right besides the > Ctrl key, Fn + F1 = Bios Setup( or freeze with APIC), > FN + Esc = Suspend, Fn + F3 = battery display... all > of these freeze when hit and it is not that uncommon > for a finger to slip to the Fn instead of Ctrl and > create a hard freeze. > > >>| Finally, this feature has recently been turned on >>in >>| the kernel, prior kernels, esp in the 2.4.16 and >>prior >>| did not have this turned on. It is not an >>improvement >>| when the stock kernel creates more problems as it >>| progresses forward. Let the maintainers of APIC >>| resolve some of these issues and make this feature >>| more stable across many different types of boxes >>| before it becomes part of the default kernel. >> >>I'm pretty sure that's what they did. Wasn't it >>labeled as experimental until >>recently? If it's no longer labeled as experimental >>it means they have found >>and squashed all KNOWN bugs. You may have found >>another. Call Dell. >> >>-Russ >>-- >>If the auto industry were like the computer >>industry, a car >>would now cost $5, would get 5000 miles to the >>gallon, and >>at random times would explode, killing all its >>passengers. >> >> > > > ===== > SI Reasoning > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "There never was a good war or a bad peace." > Benjamin Franklin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > >
Do you have any idea how many people submitted bug reports bexcause APIC was off and their machines would not boot the installer? Almost everyone with multiprocessors and more than 2 IDE channels. Obviously we are trying to see what the effects are each way, and there might be an alternate install image, but the problem is that people never look for those. Civileme
