On 2003-01-14(Tue) 16:48:46 -0800, David Walser wrote:
> > Now I see the point. Geramik is trying to do what
> > Bluecurve did, right?
> 
> Basically.  More specifically, the color, font, and
> related settings that you configure for Keramik in KDE
> Control Center are what Geramik uses, rather than
> reading .gtkrc* files and being configured with Gnome
> tools.  It's a Gtk+ theme for KDE users who have to
> use Gtk+ apps, and it keeps the look of the two
> consistent 100% of the time.  I'm not entirely sure if
> Bluecurve is set up that way to be configured in one
> place, and always look the same no matter the toolkit,
> but if it doesn't do that it probably will in the
> future.

I think I get your entire point now. So Geramik is for those
who solely uses KDE as desktop, but don't touch GNOME
desktop at all. They usually use KDE apps, but
occasionally use GTK+ apps, and want to make those
GTK+ apps look consistant with the whole Keramik theme.
Isn't it?

However, I see why Fred has removed your scripts, since
the effect of your %post/%postun scripts has gone too
far -- it affected *ALL* persons who use GTK+ software.

Besides, it still remains correct if no %post/%postun
scripts is used, since people who want it can still use
it anytime, and nothing is lost.

> If they don't want it (I'd want to hear this from
> Laurent first, as it's really for KDE users.  Crozat
> is the Gnome guy and he really has no business messing
> with it), then they should delete it from contrib, and
> probably additionally configure KDE to not use Keramik
> by default.

As I have said, you've gone too far. At least you have to
write the scripts in such a way that, only those who use
desktop in THAT way is affected. Yes, you have to make
sure that people installed KDE desktop only, and if people
install GNOME desktop later, your changes have to be
undone immediately and nicely.

That means you need to make Geramik cope with people's
change in behavoir.


> > If the above is not achieved, Geramik will just be a
> > normal
> > theme, nothing more, nothing less (quoted).
> 
> No, that's still wrong.  I think you'll understand
> from my explanation what Geramik really is.  If you
> just want a Gtk+ theme that looks like Keramik,
> Geramik is not what you want.  Such "normal themes" do
> exist.

Yes, I do understand your point now, but still think what
you proposition (its "intended usage") is flawed: can knife
manufacturers say that knives are only for slicing food,
and they prohibit people to use it differently?

Abel
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