On Tuesday 11 February 2003 03:24, CyberCFO wrote:
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> On Monday 10 February 2003 05:51 pm, you wrote:
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> > > First off, I do not represent Mandrake or MandrakeSoft in any way other
> > > than as a user.  I have been following the thread you have reported on
> > > in the Cooker ML and would like to make a few observations and
> > > suggestions.
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> > I hope this fits better.

I'm not a big writer but:


   Some Mandrake developers are 
   [37]discussing the future of Mandrake Linux since Ben Reser 
   [38]believes that he end of [39]MandrakeSoft is [40]inevitable. They
   [41]proposed to organise the work on the Mandrake Linux development as    
   community better and [42]investigated how the Debian project is organised,   
   which is why John Goerzen from Debian [43]contributes to the discussion.
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> >   37. http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg90098.html
> >   38. http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-01/msg03850.php
> >   39. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
> >   40.
> > http://ben.reser.org/rants/invisible.cgi?month=01&day=15&year=2003&t=00
> > 41. http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-01/msg04630.php 42.
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg90243.html 43.


> You have missed my point, and the point of the original discussion.  You
> have again mischaracterized the thread as a discussion of planning life
> after MandrakeSoft when in fact they were planning life with MandrakeSoft,
> only a more open and friendly development process.  The discussion that
> referenced Debian was to try and glean ways that the MandrakeSoft
> development process could be more inclusive and easier to join.
>
ACK, thats how I got it too, and I would love if this can be made ...

> Your people (John and Gustavo) turned it into the discussion it became by
> trolling the list, and now you are reporting on it as if a spontaneous
> discussion about Mandrake joining up with Debian was had by the
> MandrakeSoft developers.  I believe that their original intention for
> joining the discussion was noble, they ultimately had their discussion with
> people that did not represent MandrakeSoft per se.
>

I don't know if I would call it trolling, but the discussion was really turned 
arround by 180 degree. I would love to see this discussion without 
heat-heads. Really thinking what is currently wrong and do it better in 
future. And some things we can learn from debian:

- "Special interests"-lists
- split up of the Cookerlist for a better overview
and some other things I currently does not think of
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Steffen
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